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| - In progress atm, please don--Curse You 19:25, 6 August 2007 (CEST)'t do anything with this(it takes too mutch time to complete immediatly). Thanks. Unexist 21:37, 9 July 2007 (CEST) I don't know if you tried this or not but you have a Dervish skill under the ranger runners and you have it listed as necromancer, just a friendly reminder :D - Image:Joshgt2Sig.png Joshgt2 22:29, 9 July 2007 (CEST) In progress eh :p. Unexist 08:22, 10 July 2007 (CEST) Okay done now and open for review. Unexist 09:13, 10 July 2007 (CEST) I've never seen a team with 2 LoDs. Or maybe that's a R-spike only thing? Tycn 14:27, 10 July 2007 (CEST) kind of agree with Tycn, you should probably switch one LoD out for a SoD, but thats just my preference--Lokre 16:17, 10 July 2007 (CEST) It's a r-spike only thing. 2 Prots is totally useless, since you may not enchant your rangers or forked arrow doesn't work anymore. Unexist 16:40, 10 July 2007 (CEST) hehe the classic meta-ish r-spike. my 3rd fav ha spike build (b-spike my 2nd fav, para spike my 1 fav0. Mgelo21 17:13, 10 July 2007 (CEST) R-spike only ever has 2 Rangers. This includes GvG. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 20:04, 10 July 2007 (CEST) Zomg. Observe Ha more please kk thnx. Unexist 20:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST) /agree with Unexist. HA is all about basically uninfusable spikes, [nearly] everyone knows that. Two rangers ain't enough in HA. Even with orders or brutal or shouts, two just plain isnt enough. One infuse or an SoD/Guardian/Wep of Warding at the wrong time, and bye-bye spike. In fact, most spikes in HA have 4, or even more (sometimes even all chars), as all the same spike (para/blood/nightmare/sin/rit(chan,non-NW)/etc/ele(SF+others) spikes). There is a neat little "b" button on your keyboard. Use it while in GW and see what amazing wonders happen! Really, they nerfed R-spike. Get over it. 2 rangers is standard R-spike team now. They both run Glass Arrows with Conjure/Brutal; coordinate Duel+Savage+Shatter=Dead Mesmer. If you guys are really too newb to not know this, pls don't make any retorts from now on. If you don't believe me, ask anyone about what [Cry] ran during monthly Tournament. Also, HA spikes are generally weak; as most people who are HA only suck. Their wide verity of "Spikes" include Double SH+Gale, and SF-way lulz. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 10:58, 12 July 2007 (CEST) Oh, and for the build, R-Spike=dead. Run SH, it's gud. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 11:01, 12 July 2007 (CEST) That build is totally different, and gvg. R-Spike still owns in tha face, take for example Team Voyager[TV]. They still own with it... Oh and btw, I suppose u ain't a ha player since this build is the most common rspike in HA. Blame about GvG build okay but this is marked HA-only. Unexist 11:11, 12 July 2007 (CEST) how bout woh instead of protect stuff bcuz of the nature of the builds. rits use brutal weapon, rangers use forked arrow. just doesnt make much sense. if the monk is good then its gonna screw up the whole teams dmg. u may be able to defend well but ull never win bcuz u ont do enuf dmg. even if u concentrated on one guy. no tanks, or sins to take care of monks. there is no quick killer here. or high armor ganker. this team would be annihilated in a serious battle.Mizzouman2002 20:13, 12 July 2007 (CEST) LoD is fine. It's a party boost, so good against the current meta(degen/thumper pressure), and is giving aswell a nice heal for capture points split from distance. Oh and btw, if you're still in the ' tank ' thing(nub pve'er) then you shouldn't even try this build. Go zergway or something. Unexist 20:54, 12 July 2007 (CEST) I don't HA anymore; mostly because it is gay slaughter. Doesn't help that I am no longer in a PvP Guild, nor the fact that everyone I know thinks GW sucks (and or, is dead) and have moved to different games :P. o well. Really, R-spike is dead. This wouldn't be able to kill worth shit. Everyone runs faggy defensive/Triple Bond Builds. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:29, 13 July 2007 (CEST) Example of Triple Bond HA Build: (Yes, this actually wins :O, and is completely unoriginal!) Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 09:01, 13 July 2007 (CEST) Dude, what the hell. If you wanna make some other build, go ahead. If you wanna say that ranger spike sucks, be my guest. But please, tell me what's wrong with it then. Some people actually still run it. Some things might be dead, but still work very effective for example: Bloodspike. Unexist 13:02, 13 July 2007 (CEST) What's wrong is the meta. Everyone runs faggy defensive Builds such as that. Spike Teams will always lose to them, unless they REALLY suck. Anet has nerfed all Spike teams pretty much imo: Bloodspike, R-spike nerf, Gale Nerf, SF spike nerf, Rt-Spike, ect. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 18:40, 13 July 2007 (CEST) #6626[HoH] domianted HoH last night with their rit spike of doom...not your normal rit spike either. They get the low rank to make it look like they suck , but they're secretly uber leet ninjas of doom. Also readem [BE] and alot of other guilds have been running spikers remarkably similar to the ones in this article, and ([BE] at least) runs three of them. --Hikari 23:35, 13 July 2007 (CEST) On topic, i actually do see [TV] still run it, in fact, each time i watch/encounter them, they are running this build, but sometimes mix it up with the monks and paragon, like removing anthem of envy and brutal weapon *sometimes* and i have alos seen the rit use a different elite. off topic, Readem and Unexist, stop acting like elitists and saying each others build sucks, this is a buildwiki, meaning a place for builds and good criticism, not a "oh this build sucks, i r 1337" crap. For me to see Readem do this is fresh, but for Unexist, sorry but you constantly do this, it needs to stop, this page is designed for suggestions and comments that would help the build, not turn it into a WW3 warzone. i know what i say may fall into the said catergory, but it is necessary for you two to see the message. also, might want to add a variants section to it.--Lokre 21:55, 15 July 2007 (CEST) just watched [Meow] use this, their paragon lagged out, but i saw that one ranger was a R/P instead of R/D and used "Brace Yourself!"--Lokre 00:10, 16 July 2007 (CEST) if unexist wants to call me a pve nub ok but i wanna kno wat the dmg comes from.. i mean really there is no high dmg spike here. ive tried this and its not high enuf dmg to really get the job done. normal attacks coming from 8 differnt guys and enchant removal every 25 seconds isnt enuf so i think it may not be me but u that is the nub. and btw lod is only good if the team isnt under high dmg spike. 60 health isnt gonna cut it versus a sin or high dmg ele. cripple kills lod. there are 14 attacks if u count forked arrow and dual shot from the rangers. one attack from the paragon and one attack from the rit. +33 mg from a bow isnt gonna kill anyone fast. no degen and no competent flag running build. so 3 ranged attackers gaurd the shrine while one runs the relics? also from constant pressure from the other teams going most likely onto the monks with no pressure of ur own. this doesnt work. o btw i do play pve u were right about that :) Mizzouman2002 05:19, 16 July 2007 (CEST) srry bout that two enchant removalMizzouman2002 05:20, 16 July 2007 (CEST) Don't name HA Guilds...I don't ob Unranked Guilds usually. Rt Spike still works, never said it didn't. Just that it does not work nearly as well as it used to. This is really, not very effect :/. No AoE pressure, no condition pressure, or Hex pressure :/. No D-shot is especially bad. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 05:54, 16 July 2007 (CEST) Also, R-spike is dead; did I mention that already? Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:12, 16 July 2007 (CEST) team voyager runs this (and wins HoH) all the time. you can't say it's dead or ineffective if it wins. - Skakid9090 06:13, 16 July 2007 (CEST) Yes I can. Taking HoH means nothing to me. DE can win with a Echo Mender, I can win as a Flare Spammer, and iQ runs eliteless monks and still wins. HA is a joke, and is not at all taken seriously. HA is the RA of team competitive play. Besides, who gives a damn if a good guild can run R-spike. a good guild can win with almost anything. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:22, 16 July 2007 (CEST) So... a build that can take HoH is crap because it can take HoH... seriously you cant hold a grudge agasint a build because you don't like the area in which it's played. - Skakid9090 06:24, 16 July 2007 (CEST) funny, I almost commented the same thing. But you got to it first. Oh well. Yea, all I have to say is look at the tag. Don't say it's bad for something if it isn't even made for that. Bluemilkman 15:30, 16 July 2007 (CEST) This build is crap in comparison to Zergway, updated Iway, SS/BM, organized SF-spike, Triple Bond, Holders, SS/Warders or even balanced. They kill better, use more strategy, and yet we should record this? No one here besides perhaps Auron and Rapta even HA seriously. Oh, and for you newbs who don't know, any good GvG guild can beat any HA only guild. Why? Because HA Monks use fucking staffs, and channeling, but mostly because they suck. This build has a weak spike, and if you are unable to see that, then learn2PvP pls. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 16:18, 16 July 2007 (CEST) But this isnt a discussion if GvG>HA. it's a discussion if this build can win, and it can and does. iq can win wiht eliteless monks, bblah blah use whatever team they want but they dont do it often. TV uses this build every time i see them on obs mode. they win with it. it works good as an HA build. if all that stuff is better, how it come it doesnt BEAT them, which is the entire point of HA? - Skakid9090 18:32, 16 July 2007 (CEST) To be fair, I've seen Hamstorm builds take HA, so just because a build HAS beat HA doesn't mean it will every time. Also, there are other builds that do more damage than this and have better pressure. —ǥȓɩηɔɧ〚₮/ḉ〛 05:29, 26 July 2007 (CEST) Lol, HA. — Rapta Image:Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 03:07, 31 July 2007 (CEST) Readem, no offense but it sounds like you are ranting off your hatred vs HA on this build. It's just straight off the OBS mode of the winning teams. So what if there is a better build or a counter build of this? If it wins, it works. --Image:Flag of South Korea.png Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 20:05, 16 July 2007 (CEST) I'd have to agree. I watched Team Voyager win Halls a multitude of times today using pretty much this exact build. You can't argue with that kind of proof. --Curse You 06:18, 29 July 2007 (CEST) Meh, it's all about the guild. iQ can win with shit. Gank can win halls with their triple bond. Doesn't matter, and I no longer care lulz. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 03:10, 31 July 2007 (CEST) It does seem that most non-guilds (or disorganized guilds) that try playing this build fail at using it effectively. I was in a Hero team and we managed to have only one death vs this build (caused by over extending). It was probably because they did a rather bad job of spiking, and the fact that I kept killing their Favorable Winds. --Curse You 19:25, 6 August 2007 (CEST) Since the nerf to Ritspike, seems as this is the way to go...and most para spikes I've seen lately have sucked RustyTheMesmer 23:51, 10 August 2007 (CEST) No, everyone is running Zergway. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:43, 12 August 2007 (CEST) No, Me, Grinch, Hide-and-Seek, Cheese, Armond ran this... It worked gloriously. Vent=awesome. ~~ Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg frvwfr2 (talk · contributions) 05:00, 12 August 2007 (CEST) I is sorry my GW is crash my computer. --Edru viransu//QQ about me 05:04, 12 August 2007 (CEST) Err, ok. But still everyone else is running zerg :/. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 05:07, 12 August 2007 (CEST) Readem, you fail. Everything you've said on this talk page is so stupid. "They both run Glass Arrows with Conjure/Brutal;" Have you ever read the description on brutal weapon? And R-Spike is still very common, and yes, 3 rangers are used. Have you ever played Heroes Ascent before in your life? It's all heroway/spiritway/thumperway now. Zerg is not that common. Some people need to stick to PvE. (67.165.74.190 21:29, 17 August 2007 (CEST)) He means Conjure OR Brutal. But yeah, his thing about 2 was wrong. ~~ Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg frvwfr2 (T/C/RFA) 21:37, 17 August 2007 (CEST) Well, if you're using conjure, then you can't use forked arrow.>_< (67.165.74.190 21:57, 17 August 2007 (CEST)) I would just like to say, that all my above points still stand, and are infact, correct. gg. 2 spikers, only [be] runs it, conjure is used, and you are absolutely gay if you use it. I am amazing. 68.35.91.2 08:07, 3 November 2007 (CET) Pin down is bad, too much energy and will most likely get blocked anyway. Watch me work it 11:26, 29 December 2007 (EST) It sucks because it'll be on there for ~1 second before being removed. The energy is just another failure. -- Armond WarbladeImage:Armond sig image.png{{sysop}} 16:03, 29 December 2007 (EST)
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