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| - There is no "reality" of Hell, only in Ray's imagination. Would someone sell both their eyes? What if they were born blind or have damaged eyes. Would the new eyes grant us night vision or ocular vision? Does the new eye have a blind spot like ours? Some people would probably take the offer.
- When does moral pornography become immoral pornography? The man in the interview did not say 17 was fine, but things are not black and white Ray. When is moral killing become immoral? Many of us do not give killing animals a second thought, but when it comes to killing other humans we deem it wrong? So when does moral killing become immoral killing? Can you kill something as long as it's not human? What about driving. Is it moral to let a normal responsible person drive but if you let a small child drive does that mean driving overall becomes immoral?
Ray's stories do not have a leg to stand on. As for the Prodigal son, the issue was spending money on prostitutes, not pornography. God commanded the son of David, Absalom, to have sex with David's concubines for all Israel to see in 2 Samuel 16:22, so God himself is clearly not against pornography.
- It is really easy to create an analogy such as this to fit your agenda and appeal to emotion to the audience to make your point, but that odes not make it true one bit.
- Ray had nothing to comment of the part when the man said he is just human and lusting is a natural human and animal instinct. He is correct. Ray denies that we are animals.
- Do you know what else Martin Luther said? "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.” Ray comfort and Kirk Cameron seem o follow this one to a T, which is the main thing they are trying to accomplish with this program.
"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his Reason."
"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
[Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148]
"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason...Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed."
[Martin Luther, quoted by Walter Kaufmann, _The Faith of a Heretic_, , p. 75]
“Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.”
This is where we discover Martin Luther knew the enemy of faith was reason, we see it still today. People of reason tend to be scientist, logical thinkers, and rational people. People of faith tend to submit their minds and hearts to a supernatural being that they believe exists.
"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes."
[Martin Luther, Works 12.94]
"The Jews are the most miserable people on earth. They are plagued everywhere, and scattered about all countries, having no certain resting place. They sit as on a wheelbarrow, without a country, people or government... but they are rightly served, for seeing they refused have Christ and his gospel, instead of freedom they must have servitude."
"Either God must be unjust, or you, Jews, wicked and ungodly. You have been, about fifteen hundred years, a race rejected of God."
"Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools..."
[Martin Luther, "On the Jews and Their Lies", 1543]
"We are at fault for not slaying them [the Jews]"
[Martin Luther, "On the Jews and Their Lies"]
- The reason why we do deem bank robbery as unlawful is because it brings more harm then pleasure. As civil creatures, we try to balance or minimize harm. If we find pleasure in eating, we are free to eat more than necessary. If Kirk and Ray take pleasure in constantly lying, they are free to at their own risk because once they are exposed as liars then people will realize the kind of people they really are.
- As many psychiatrists will tell you, most of our emotions is involuntary and cannot be controlled,so to conemn tem as wrong and sinful causes unnecessary guilt and psychological harm. Jesus' teaching would result in the repression of feelings that we must be in contact with for reasons of our psychological health.
- "Spoke the Sun into existence." So Ray admits God "spoke" the sun and everything into existence in the form of an incantation, or by definition MAGIC! That's right, Ray, Kirk, and their ilk defend the idea that everything is the result of a magic man. Similar to the wild stories conjured up by children or the simple minded. How do you "violate" the law of electricity or gravity. To be more accurate, they are not laws but "theories." Jumping off a building and falling toward earth does not violate the law of gravity, in fact it obeys it. Receiving shock from electricity does not violate it, it obeys it. So clearly, Ray does not know a thing of what he is talking about, which is not surprising since this is all coming from a proud scientific-illiterate clown.
- Where is this prophecy? how can you tell what the religious leaders of the day taught? In Jesus' time the Jews taught inner sacrifice and redemption while they were forbidden to make sacrifices at the Temple. However, the Jews believed God loves study of the Torah much more than burnt offerings
- Only in Ray's fantasy is pleasure harmful. Not once in any part of this program, or any other program, does he prove sin or establish the proof for it.
- Or it is because Jesus is commanding that we repress ourselves and deny a basic human instinct we have no control over. This is another example of Christianity simply trying to snare everyone into guilt so they can later comfort them with a false promise of salvation.
- How hypocritical of Ray to say that simply not believing in something means it does not change reality, while he ignores and denies the truth that his beliefs of hell does not change reality one bit to suit his fantasies. Ray can deny the reality of evolution, but it will not change a thing.
How can Scott know he is sinning against something that does not exist?
- Sex is not a gift from God. If it were a gift, why would he make it a sin? Why would he create children capable of reproducing around ages 13? Why did he create men with organs that he would later demand to have them cut off the skin at the end? If God only favored sex inside of marriage, then Ray has a lot of explaining to do with all the stories of mass orgies, sex with concubines or relatives all throughout the Old Testament.
- You can see an review/critique of the Evidence Bible here on RationalWiki.
- Death existed long before "sin." Kirk and Ray believe we are in a fallen stage of the earth and there was no suffering or death before the Fall. if that is so, then why were humans first created with an immune system. An immune system testifies that external harmful forces did exist before the Fall. God even gave permission to Adam and Eve to eat from the trees, and in Genesis 1 he says they may eat from them like they would eat meat. You can only obtain meat from a dead animal, which means death did exist long before the Fall. Even if Adam and Eve did not eat meat, the simple fact that eating fruit from any of the trees is an act of eating a cellular organism and digesting it -meaning you killed a living organism. No matter how you look at it, death is a natural part of life and there was no "sin" that caused it. What Kirk and Ray are spewing throughout on this program, and off it, is nonsense. Sin did not cause death, sin does not even exist like their God and Hell.
- Why should we listen to a fictional character who is the product of myth and legend? There is no evidence for a historical Jesus, and the Bible teaches that humans have no intrinsic right to fairness or respect. Search the bible all you wish, but nowhere does it state that every human being possesses an inherent right to be treated with respect or fairness. They Bible does not teach that we deserve respect; we deserve damnation because we are intrinsically evil.
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