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| - A transcript is a retrospective written record of dialogue, and like a script (a prospective record) may include other scene information such as props or actions. In the case of a transcript of a film or television episode, ideally it is a verbatim record. Because closed-captioning is usually written separately, its text may have errors and does not necessarily reflect the true Canonical transcript. Kris White: Claire’s dreams take flight, Kate refuses to be fenced out, and Jack plays catch. We’ll have commentary from executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse on all that and more in today’s Official Lost Podcast hosted by ABC.com. [Opening Lost Theme] Kris White: Welcome to the podcast for the episode “The Man from Tallahassee.” I’m your host Kris, and in today’s podcast executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse join us to talk about last week’s episode “Par Avion,” which includes the much expected revelation that Claire and Jack are in fact related. They’ll also have insights on some of our previous episodes including “Enter 77.” First up though, we have a sit down interview with the actress who plays the long lost member of the Shephard clan, Emilie de Ravin. “The Man from Tallahassee” airs Wednesday March 21st from 10 to 11 pm only on ABC. [Lost Podcast Theme] [Scene from “Par Avion”] Emilie de Ravin: It was a really, uh emotionally taxing episode actually. What she’s going through required a lot of pulling from emotion on my behalf and you know sort of being… her character being mentally in just not, not a good stable place. So, long days of that [Laughs] ... can breathe now Kris White: Did you have any music or magazines or anything that you used, you know between takes to kind of take your mind off the intensity? Emilie de Ravin: Yeah, no I was, I used my iPod a lot for…for that, you know music for different things, when you’re really, especially when you’re, you know working like 3am till 6 at night. You really, you need something there, and it’s you doing all these things. You’re in every scene and you’re the focus of these things as opposed to being in big group scenes where you interject here and there with a line. When you’re really getting down to focusing about serious emotional material, that does help me and keep you focused, sort of, throughout the day. [Scene from “Par Avion”] Emilie de Ravin: It’s contrary to so many situations and so much more to deal with, uh present day and in her, in flashback life, or life before the crash. So… yeah really interesting. Kris White: The big question now is: Will Claire and Jack ever discover they’re related? After all, the characters have gone a lot longer than 60+ days without the subject ever coming up. Emilie de Ravin: Yeah, I mean I'm sure they will. I’m sure that they’re going to somehow bring that up whether it’s uh... you know uh, freak happening that it’s spoken about or his name is brought up or there’s a photograph or there’s something found out. I, I think that has to happen, somehow. And I think that it’d be very interesting to work with and for him to find out and for Matthew to deal with this. Realizing he has another family member that you didn’t know about, same thing for me and also whether that's dealt with too in future flashbacks for either one of us. That if we really did neither know or you know if either one of us did know prior to and is hiding it or if it really is still unknown to both of us. So who knows? Maybe we’ll never find out. [Laughs] Kris White: Of course the only people who know if Claire and Jack will ever attend a family reunion together are executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, whom we now turn it over to. [Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse Theme] Carlton Cuse: Well, hello Damon. Damon Lindelof: Hi there Carlton. Carlton Cuse: It’s been a… gosh darn long while since we had a podcast, hasn't it? Damon Lindelof: Were you gonna say a dirty word there before you said gosh darn? Carlton Cuse: I was. Damon Lindelof: It was- it’s been too long. Carlton Cuse: It’s been way too long. Damon Lindelof: Carlton, where have you been? Carlton Cuse: [Breaths in Deeply] Damon Lindelof: Why have you… the fans want you, your podcasts. Why have you withheld them from the fans? Carlton Cuse: Um, well I don’t know really. I have no good reason. Damon Lindelof: Have you been busy doing anything? Carlton Cuse: Um, maybe writing the show, producing the show. How bout you? Damon Lindelof: I’ve been doing both things, but you know, I- there’s always time for a podcast, like right now. Carlton Cuse: Good. Well let’s get to it, shall we? Damon Lindelof: I can’t wait. Carlton Cuse: Um. Damon Lindelof: We apologize. Carlton Cuse: We do apologize but we have an extremely busy, this like the worst time of the year because we’re trying to, to sort of write the last four episodes of the show and we have to kind of get everything sort of organized on a macro level in order to make sure all the parts of our finale fall correctly, and it just, it’s a lot more difficult on a story narrative level plus the airing of an episode every week is keeping us really busy with post. So something has had to give and unfortunately it’s been our podcast, and we apologize. Damon Lindelof: Post is post production. Is that correct, Carlton? Carlton Cuse: That would be like editing, sound, music, that kind of stuff. Damon Lindelof: You mean we don’t just write the scripts and then move on? We’re done? Carlton Cuse: Then go sit by the pool? Damon Lindelof: Yeah. Carlton Cuse: No, unfortunately there’s a lot to uh to do in the job. Um, so let’s uh you know. Oh, that's true. Where have you been? Can viewers expect to hear from us for future podcasts? Damon Lindelof: Carlton is now reading off of the sheet-- Carlton Cuse: [giggles] Damon Lindelof: --that I was so deftly presenting as natural conversation. Carlton Cuse: It was so natural. Damon Lindelof: Yeah. Carlton Cuse: Then when I actually read it on the sheet I was like wow. Damon Lindelof: This is what they actually told us to talk about. Carlton Cuse: Have you thought about being an actor, Damon? Damon Lindelof: I uh, I have not thought about it and uh- Carlton Cuse: But weren’t you in a musical in high school? Damon Lindelof: I was in a musical or two or three. I played the Artful Dodger in Oliver. Carlton Cuse: That's fantastic. Damon Lindelof: And How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. Carlton Cuse: Weren't you in Man of La Mancha? Damon Lindelof: I was not in Man of La Mancha. Carlton Cuse: Really? Then why is it that you're always singing-- Damon Lindelof: The impossible dream? Carlton Cuse: --in a Spanish accent? Damon Lindelof: Because I'm having impossible dreams, I suspect. If you're gonna sing, do it in a Spanish accent. Carlton Cuse: Fantastic. Are you gonna be on American Idol? Damon Lindelof: I'm too old, apparently. The cutoff is 28, so- Carlton Cuse: Is that really true? Damon Lindelof: It is true. Carlton Cuse: Wow. Damon Lindelof: So, my dream is crushed. But if Sanjaya can do it, I guess anyone can-- Carlton Cuse: That's fantastic. Damon Lindelof: --that's what I always say. I didn't know what it meant when I was saying it before, but now it suddenly has context. Carlton Cuse: So, you know, all these grumblings from fans and the press about the show and too many others. Damon Lindelof: Enough with the grumblings. Carlton Cuse: Should viewers, uh... What do you think now? Think that people should be happy now? Damon Lindelof: I don't know. I mean, the reality is we've balanced out the show a little more. I think, you know, the Others are still in the show, certainly, but we're not hanging out in cages all day. We're getting around on the Island, and we're doing some beach stories. You got a little bit of Hurley, a little bit of Claire action. Some old school Sayid, but that wasn't a beach story, I mean that was a very Others-driven story, "Enter 77." Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Well, speaking about the Claire story, talk about, you know, the fact that Claire and Jack- Damon Lindelof: Heh. Carlton Cuse: [laughs] Damon Lindelof: You're doing a terrible job of reading off your sheet. Carlton Cuse: Isn't that amazing? Damon Lindelof: I gave you a very natural segue-- Carlton Cuse: Sorry. Damon Lindelof: --when I said "Enter 77," and then you said, "Speaking of the Claire story." Some people would go, "Hey, that's a good way to get into Enter 77." Carlton Cuse: Well, I wanted to talk about "Par Avion" first. Damon Lindelof: Okay, please. Carlton Cuse: "Par Avion" Damon Lindelof: "Par Avion," which is "air mail" in French. Carlton Cuse: Really? Damon Lindelof: Yeah, apparently. Carlton Cuse: Wow, that's fantastic. I didn't know that. Damon Lindelof: Well, it actually means "by plane," but-- Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: --I don't want to be caught in the French semantics of it all. Carlton Cuse: So, Claire and Jack have the same dad. Damon Lindelof: That is true. Carlton Cuse: Wow. Damon Lindelof: Christian Shephard. Carlton Cuse: What happens if they have sex on the island? Damon Lindelof: Who, Claire and Jack? Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: I think they'd probably be struck by lightning. Carlton Cuse: Cool. Damon Lindelof: That's gotta be a moral, at the very least. Carlton Cuse: Uh- Damon Lindelof: And Charlie would probably be really angry. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, he would. Damon Lindelof: And Kate would probably be really angry. Oh, and America would also be really angry. Carlton Cuse: Yes. Damon Lindelof: And then they get struck by lightning. Sounds like a good thing to happen right before the zombie season. Carlton Cuse: Yes. All right, that's all I had to say about "Par Avion." Let's go onto "Enter 77." Damon Lindelof: Yeah! 'Cause we wrote that one. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, we like that one. There was a lot of good stuff in there. Damon Lindelof: We like it 'cause there's gun play. Carlton Cuse: And some answers actually. I mean, you should actually believe everything that Mikhail says, other than the fact that he says that he was a member of the DHARMA Initiative. Correct? Damon Lindelof: Yeah. Well, he's pretending to be a member of the DHARMA Initiative, but everything that he says about the Others, while he's pretending to be a member of the DHARMA Initiative, is true, so... or at least he believes it to be. It's all perspective, I guess. Carlton Cuse: Right, but he is not intentionally misleading them when he is downloading all the information that he downloads to them about the interrelationship between the DHARMA Initiative and the Others. Damon Lindelof: And we learned what the DHARMA Initiative called the Others, which is not the Others, called them- Carlton Cuse: The Hostiles. Damon Lindelof: That's right. Which is something that we heard Kelvin say in the finale last year, in fact. Carlton Cuse: That's right. And will there be more about the Hostiles coming up? Damon Lindelof: The Hostiles A.K.A. the Others? Carlton Cuse: Yes. Damon Lindelof: Yes, I think there might be. And Carlton, will there be more about the DHARMA Initiative? Carlton Cuse: Uh, a lot more. Damon Lindelof: This is not the definitive closing text on the DHARMA Initiative, is it? Carlton Cuse: No, not even close, I would dare say. Damon Lindelof: Wow. This purge that Mikhail referred to, what that's all about? Carlton Cuse: Well, it appears that in some form or manner- Damon Lindelof: Is that when you like eat a lot of junk food and you feel really guilty and like that Meredith Baxter Birney TV movie? Carlton Cuse: Kind of like that, only people get killed in this circumstance. Damon Lindelof: Oh, right. Okay. Carlton Cuse: And those people tend to be members of the DHARMA Initiative. Damon Lindelof: Wow, so there was a purge. Carlton Cuse: There was a purge, and the Others wiped out the DHARMA Initiative, I think we are led to believe. Damon Lindelof: But Mikhail seems to indicate that it was a defensive measure, that it was kill or be killed. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, so do you think we'll be learning more about what the specifics of that are? Damon Lindelof: I sure hope so because I'm confused. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, it's not really enough yet about the purge. Damon Lindelof: It's not definitive. I think we've heard one man's recollection of it. I would like to hear a couple other points of view. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Well, good, I think we should do that. Damon Lindelof: History is written by the winners. That's what they say, Carlton. Carlton Cuse: That is definitely true. Damon Lindelof: Which is why we won't be writing any history any time soon-- Carlton Cuse: [chuckles] Damon Lindelof: --'cause we're losers. Carlton Cuse: So talk about that ending of the episode with Jack playing football with Mr. Friendly. Damon Lindelof: [snickers] Carlton Cuse: Has Jack joined the Others? Damon Lindelof: Well, I don't know. You're not gonna throw a- catch a football by someone that you don't like, are you? Carlton Cuse: Is that why you never throw a football to me? Damon Lindelof: That is why I've never thrown a football to you, yes. I never really thought about it that way but... Carlton Cuse: That's good. Damon Lindelof: When I first joined you though, we did use to throw the football around all the time, so... Carlton Cuse: We actually do throw the football around in the writers' room a little bit. Damon Lindelof: We do. Except for the one time that one of the writers, Eddy Kitsis, threw the football at you and said, "Scramble!" and the football hit your tea. Carlton Cuse: He said, "I'm a scrambler"-- Damon Lindelof: He says, "I'm a scrambler!" Carlton Cuse: --like Fran Tarkenton, threw the football, hit my cup of tea, which exploded all over me, which was not good. Damon Lindelof: So Eddy doesn't get to throw the football any more. Carlton Cuse: No, he does not. Damon Lindelof: And Eddy has not joined the Others over at New Otherton-- Carlton Cuse: That's right. Damon Lindelof: --which is what we affectionately refer to the place where Kate, Sayid, and Locke are currently crouched down in the woods, watching. Carlton Cuse: Yes. Damon Lindelof: They're probably just gonna turn around and leave now though, right? I mean, why would they- Carlton Cuse: Not a chance, Damon. Damon Lindelof: But what are you gonna do? I mean, Jack seems to be really enjoying himself. Carlton Cuse: Well, I think they gotta find out what happened to him. I mean, if you've come all the way out there, and he's throwing the football with Mr. Friendly, I personally want to know what the heck's going on. Damon Lindelof: And what, are we gonna have to wait six weeks for that to happen? Carlton Cuse: Uh... no. Damon Lindelof: We're gonna find out on Wednesday night? Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: Wow. Carlton Cuse: Isn't that awesome? Damon Lindelof: What's the name of that episode? Carlton Cuse: That episode is called "The Man from Tallahassee." Damon Lindelof: "The Man from Tallahassee" Carlton Cuse: Yes. Damon Lindelof: Lost's love affair-- Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof together: --with Tallahassee continues. Damon Lindelof: We're gonna get shot by somebody from Tallahassee one of these days. Carlton Cuse: I think when the series is all said and done, they're probably going to erect a statue of John Locke in Tallahassee. Damon Lindelof: So this is a Locke flashback episode? Carlton Cuse: It is. Damon Lindelof: And so he's the man from Tallahassee? Carlton Cuse: No. Damon Lindelof: Oh! Interesting, all right, well I'll tune in for that. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, um, all right, shall we uh... Oh, shall we talk about the ping-pong game from the previous episode? What inspired the ping-pong game? Damon Lindelof: Heh. Well, we have a ping-pong table outside the writers' room, so occasionally after working for several hours into the wee hours of the morning, we will go out there and blow off some steam playing ping-pong and occasionally what will happen is we figure out these great pieces of mythology in our show, but the harder stories to kind of break are the smaller stories, and we will bang our heads against the wall going, "God, what can they be doing this week that's sort of amusing and diverting that isn't intense like shooting Ms. Klugh?" Carlton Cuse: And so then a really, really brilliant idea strikes us, like: Hey, what if they're playing ping-pong? Damon Lindelof: Yeah, what if Jin finds a ping-pong table? Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: 'Cause there was one in the hatch, so it makes sense that of all the things that didn't survive the hatch explosion, that the ping-pong table would. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: And therefore, we not only had one story, but several stories. There's another ping-pong story to come, I think. Carlton Cuse: There is. And really by Season 6, pretty much half the season will just be a giant ping-pong tournament, I think. Damon Lindelof: Yes, I'm looking forward to that. And then the zombies can play ping-pong as well, in Season 7. Carlton Cuse: Do you think you're better as a ping-pong player if you're your own self or you are your zombie self? Damon Lindelof: I uh... In the zombies that I've had personal experience with, their motor skills and eye-hand coordination are not quite up to par with the living. Carlton Cuse: But they're more focused. They don't have a lot of mental distraction. Damon Lindelof: They're focused on eating people though, not playing ping-pong. Carlton Cuse: But like let's say you just ate a person, would you then be a pretty good ping-pong player? Damon Lindelof: I guess, if you had just eaten. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: But, only if you were playing against another zombie 'cause if you were playing against a human, you'd probably be distracted by wanting to bite their head-- Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: --or something like that, instead of play ping-pong. Carlton Cuse: These are good stories for Year 7. Damon Lindelof: I'm writing them down. Hey, it's time for questions! Carlton Cuse: Kris, play that question music. [question fanfare] Carlton Cuse: Play that funky question music. Damon Lindelof: And by Kris, we mean the person who is not Kris because Kris has abandoned us today. Carlton Cuse: Kris is like probably in Vegas right now, doing all sorts of crazy things. Damon Lindelof: Everybody gives us guff for not doing podcasts, but Kris just shows up whenever- Carlton Cuse: When we decide, "Hey, we'll do a podcast", Kris is like, "Arrivederci." Damon Lindelof: No, I'd rather do something else and take a day off 'cause I'm Kris and I'm important. All right, Carlton, may I begin? Carlton Cuse: Yes, please. Damon Lindelof: "Why was Locke hiding it from?" by AlphaOmega1964, 519 posts in the last 90 days. Carlton Cuse: [chuckles] Damon Lindelof: Do the math, I think- Carlton Cuse: You need some help. Damon Lindelof: I think that's about 5 posts a day, somewhere in that neighborhood. Here's the question, "Why is Locke being an a-hole to his friends, hiding the C-4 and not discussing things with Kate and Sayid. What is his problem lately?" Carlton Cuse: I think that it's kind of apparent that John Locke is following the beat of a different drummer, I would say. And that different drummer may be his own self. Damon Lindelof: Wow, so you think there's a method to all these crazy things that he's doing? Carlton Cuse: I do think there is. I think that Locke has kind of decided that it's time to think about John Locke. Damon Lindelof: I'm a little bummed that he killed Mikhail though 'cause I kinda liked Mikhail. I'm just- that's me editorializing Carlton Cuse: I don't know... I'm not, you know, I don't know if you can say definitively that he killed Mikhail. Damon Lindelof: Really? Carlton Cuse: I mean... Damon Lindelof: Watch. He killed Mikhail. I just said it. Carlton Cuse: Well, I don't know. I'm not sure I agree, that's all I'm saying. Damon Lindelof: All right, well, we agree to disagree. Carlton Cuse: Okay. Um... Can I ask you a question, Damon? Damon Lindelof: You may. Carlton Cuse: By JubliantPsalm, only 3 posts in the last 90 days. Damon Lindelof: Oh, pfth. Why bother? Carlton Cuse: This is like cutting right to the chase. Damon Lindelof: Uh-huh. Carlton Cuse: "Are they really on an island?" Damon Lindelof: Yes. Carlton Cuse: Good, okay. Damon Lindelof: Anything else? Carlton Cuse: No-- Damon Lindelof: That's it? Carlton Cuse: --that's it. Damon Lindelof: I like it. Carlton Cuse: I just felt it was really direct. So let me go on, since that was so short. Damon Lindelof: That was a good one. Carlton Cuse: "Danny and Bea" That's the question posted by uh ... mis ... ton ... yed. I don't know how-- Damon Lindelof: Nice try. Carlton Cuse: m-e-i-s-t-o-n-y-e-d, 3 posts, "Loved both of them as Others," Danny and Bea- Damon Lindelof: Danny and Bea, okay. Carlton Cuse: "I loved Pickett's character and thought he was used well, and we got to find out more about him. Did however feel a bit shafted that you brought Ms. Klugh back in Enter 77, only to kill her off. Will we learn more about these two through flashbacks later in the season?" Damon Lindelof: Well, you never know when someone- The beauty of Lost is when someone dies, they're dead, but that doesn't mean that they won't show up in our memory, and Ms. Klugh is certainly a very interesting character, as is Pickett, who had a relationship with Colleen, who also died. So, you know, what's very interesting is there's a whole 'nother show going on that nobody's watching, which is-- Carlton Cuse: Dead Lost. Damon Lindelof: Yeah, which is that the Others are getting picked off, are really dying at a rapid rate as a result of our people being on the Island so- Carlton Cuse: There are a lot of dead Others, aren't there? Damon Lindelof: Yeah, but that's what happens when you hide in a rack full of DHARMA jumpsuits, and you jump out, and you attack Kate, you know-- Carlton Cuse: Yeah, that's not good. Damon Lindelof: What's gonna happen to you? You should just- Carlton Cuse: I would have picked a better hiding place, personally. Damon Lindelof: Where would you have hid? Carlton Cuse: Uh... furnace? Damon Lindelof: Hid? Hidden? Carlton Cuse: Maybe in the furnace. Damon Lindelof: I'm gonna go ahead and say the furnace is probably not the best place to hide. Carlton Cuse: [chuckles] Damon Lindelof: That's just me. Maybe no one- Carlton Cuse: 'Cause you would never have looked in there. That's the problem. Damon Lindelof: Well, that's because I don't want to burst into flames. But you know what? That is a good place. Use counterintuitive thinking there. Carlton Cuse: All right, you're up. Damon Lindelof: Uh, this is from thmscd6, 9 posts in the last 90 days. That's a more balanced, once every 10 days. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, that's kinda healthy. Damon Lindelof: "Damon and Carlton, could the sonic fence surrounding the barracks really be all that effective? I mean, I think it's possible to kill someone with sound waves--" Carlton Cuse: Ha! This person is promoting my theory-- Damon Lindelof: "--but to have--" Carlton Cuse: --that Mikhail may not actually be dead. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting. Damon Lindelof: Just listen. Carlton Cuse: I'm sorry. I got excited. Damon Lindelof: "I think it's possible to kill someone with sound waves, but to have it localized enough to not kill bystanders would seem to have one major flaw: Why couldn't someone just run through it without stopping? It seemed to take several seconds to kill Patchy, so if you ran through and got out of range, you'd be fine, right?" Carlton Cuse: Wow, that's kind of one of those questions that you just can't answer without like- It's like: Do you always beat your wife? Damon Lindelof: Heh. Carlton Cuse: I mean... no, I guess not. Damon Lindelof: No-- Carlton Cuse: [chuckles] Damon Lindelof: --is the answer to that question. Carlton Cuse: The answer is no. Damon Lindelof: Do you? Carlton Cuse: Do you only beat her sometimes? Damon Lindelof: Here's how I would look at the issue of the sonic fence, wife-beatings aside, is that I wouldn't be running- I wouldn't be doing experiments to find out how it worked or how it didn't work, like if you ran through it really fast, maybe- Carlton Cuse: That's like if you ran through like a flaming building, would you like catch on fire? I mean, it's kind of not a good idea, just to start, just as a basic tenet. And I think actually, you know, who's to say the sonic fence was turned up full volume when it hit Mikhail? Maybe if the sonic fence was even at a more intense level, it would have fried Mikhail right when he went through. That's why I don't think he's dead because... in my belief, had the sonic fence been turned on to full, Mikahil had gone through there, [snaps fingers] he would have been instantly pulverized by those sound waves. Damon Lindelof: All right, well, if he's not dead, I'm gonna stay tuned 'cause I already mentioned I liked that guy. Carlton Cuse: Excellent. So what will Locke do next, Damon? By bugapicka, who's posted 32 times in the last 90 days. Damon Lindelof: Heh. Don't you mean boogapicka? Carlton Cuse: Uh, boogapicka, yeah. Damon Lindelof: As in one who picks boogas? Carlton Cuse: As in someone driving on the freeway in a car next to you. Damon Lindelof: Right. Carlton Cuse: "Wow, John sure has been on a roll lately. First, he inadvertently imploded the hatch--" Damon Lindelof: Wait-wait. Okay, sorry, go on. Carlton Cuse: "--and now he has blown up the latest DHARMA outpost discovered by the Losties." Damon Lindelof: Right. Carlton Cuse: "He is great at finding things, but don't let him touch anything once he finds it. What's next? Will he find a secret tunnel off the Island and blow that up too?" Damon Lindelof: Wow, that's very prescient. You're- well picked, booga. You might not want to watch the episode this Wednesday night. You should just skip right ahead to the Nikki and Paulo episode the following week. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, you might get upset. Damon Lindelof: The good news is you will actually learn why Locke is on what I like to call the grand explosion tour of aught-four. Yes, he did not mean to implode the original hatch. He actually believed that the button didn't need to get pushed. But there might be an argument to be made for the fact that when he entered 77, especially since we've now seen that he took some C-4 for himself, that he wanted to destroy The Flame. And I'd be very curious as to why. What could his explanation possibly be? Carlton Cuse: I think it kind of goes back to: What's going through Locke's mind? In fact, you know, it's interesting because this next question is a follow up to the other question which is by JoeSculptor, who's posted 417 times in the last 90 days-- Damon Lindelof: Wow. Carlton Cuse: --and he's like, "So what's up with Locke? I mean last night has to be the strangest I've ever seen him with his computer obsession. Even standing guard over a captured prisoner, the computer kept calling out to him, and he had to answer. I mean, how dumb was it to respond to the question if there's an incursion by the hostiles, enter 77? I mean, what else can it be but an alarm? Locke tells Patchy, now I know why you didn't want me to beat it, and then kaboom. Did Locke blow it up on purpose?" Damon Lindelof: That's an interesting question... I think- Carlton Cuse: It seems to me that Locke has intent. Damon Lindelof: Yeah, that's a mystery you will get the answer to as to whether or not- I think it'd be kind of lame if he just- if it was an accident. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, if he was really just kind of that dumb. Damon Lindelof: Yeah, he's not that dumb. Carlton Cuse: He's not that dumb. Damon Lindelof: We have to remember, you know, back in Season 1, remember when Sayid got knocked over the head, and somebody smashed the transceiver into bits. Remember that? Carlton Cuse: Yeah, I do. Damon Lindelof: Remember who did that? Carlton Cuse: I do. Damon Lindelof: Who? Carlton Cuse: That was Locke Damon Lindelof: That's right. It was Locke. Carlton Cuse: That's true. Damon Lindelof: So at least he's consistent. Carlton Cuse: Exactly. I'm just gonna keep asking you questions until you stop me. By Brady Hardin-- Damon Lindelof: Stop! Carlton Cuse: --5 posts in the last 90 days. "There's a rumor that there's a Nikki and Paulo flashback episode coming soon. Is that true? I've also heard that Boone and Shannon will be in that episode. Is that true? Will we figure out who the gay character is in this episode? Thanks, Brady." Damon Lindelof: Gay character? Did we say there was a gay character? Carlton Cuse: Uh, I think somewhere in an interview, we said at one point there might be a gay character. Damon Lindelof: The gay character might appear in the Nikki and Paulo episode. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: So I guess we're confirming there is gonna be a Nikki and Paulo episode. Carlton Cuse: I wouldn't say that you should hold your breath looking for the gay character. It's not like the gay character comes out and says, "Hey, I'm gay." Damon Lindelof: Why would you waste your time looking for the gay character when you've got Nikki and Paulo and Boone and Shannon to look at? Carlton Cuse: Yeah, that's far better and (???) Boone and Shannon. Damon Lindelof: Just a little teaser about the Nikki and Paulo episode, you go ahead and raise your eyebrows and be cynical, but you're gonna like it. We get- If you're listening to this podcast, you are gonna like the Nikki and Paulo episode a lot, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: And if you don't, Carlton's address is... no, I'm joking. Uh, I also have a question by Brady Hardin, who asked that last question, I guess. Carlton Cuse: Oh, yeah. Go Brady Hardin. Damon Lindelof: "There are several references to a mystery man by the name of Him. Pronouns obviously keep things mysterious. Have we seen this Him before? Can we ever expect Him to show up in a flashback of any of our islanders? What questions about Him do you want us to be asking?" Carlton Cuse: Um... Well, I think, we've also said this mysterious- We've also heard about somebody named Jacob. Damon Lindelof: Jacob. Carlton Cuse: And I think that it would be fair to say that the Him that Brady Hardin is referring to would be Jacob. Damon Lindelof: So when Ben says -- back when he was Henry Gale in the hatch last year -- oh, I'm not the leader of the Others, the guy who is the leader of the Others, he's a magnificent man and is a vengeful man or whatever the hell it is he says, he's talking about Jacob? Carlton Cuse: Well, assuming that he was being honest. Damon Lindelof: Oh, right. Okay. Interesting. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. So, personally, do you think there is a Jacob? Damon Lindelof: I do. I believe in Jacob. Carlton Cuse: Cool. Damon Lindelof: He's... well, they refer to him, and Pickett said he's not even on Jacob's list and... I don't know, we've heard his name enough times to- I would think there is. I don't know who he is. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, that's interesting. Damon Lindelof: I don't know if he's someone we've already seen or anything. Carlton Cuse: Um... Well, I think it would be irresponsible for us not to revisit Jacob this season, wouldn't it? Damon Lindelof: It would, but we are irresponsible. That's why we're not wearing any pants right now. Carlton Cuse: It's impossible to get through an entire podcast without doing the pants joke, isn't it? Damon Lindelof: It's not a joke. That's the thing. We're not wearing any pants right now. Carlton Cuse: That's why there's no more video podcasts. Damon Lindelof: Exactly. We violate FCC rules and also certain laws in California. Carlton Cuse: I'm just gon... Damon Lindelof: ...civil code... Carlton Cuse: ...I'm just gonna ask you one more question. Damon Lindelof: ...otherwise it'll... okay. Carlton Cuse: (...) the Swan Station by Down With Big Brother, 27 posts in the last 90 days. Damon Lindelof: That's very negative against Big Brother. Carlton Cuse: "Do the Others or Hostiles know about the Swan station and about the number pushing, or does it not matter to them if it imploded?" I think this is a fair question to answer. Damon Lindelof: It's a very fair question. I don't think they did know. Carlton Cuse: Yeah. Damon Lindelof: I don't think they knew about the existence of the Swan station. For one, Kelvin is down there continuing to push the button, even before Desmond comes, for all that time, well after we know that this purge allegedly occurred. And the Others have completely left him alone. So, if they do know about it... Carlton Cuse: It might make some certain amount of sense, too, that if the - if there was an incident in the Swan station, and there was this electromagnetic anomaly, and this sort of Chernobyl kind of circumstance there, the DHARMA guys wouldn't probably want a lot of other people to know about it. I mean, it would be a definite need-to-know basis because of that kind of circumstance, wouldn't it? Damon Lindelof: Yeah. It would. And we know that in the Pearl station, they monitor the Swan station. So it's possible that the Others found out about the Swan station once the Oceanic survivors showed up; once Locke found the Hatch... Carlton Cuse: Right. Damon Lindelof: ...um, it's possible that they were, uh, able to... to check it out, but I don't know. Might we be finding out about that in the next couple weeks, Carlton? Carlton Cuse: Uh... we might... we might learn a little more about that. Damon Lindelof: Interesting. Carlton Cuse: Absolutely. And I - and it also seems kind of, um... Damon Lindelof: In the Nikki and Paulo flashback episode, perhaps? Carlton Cuse: So are you saying that the Nikki and Paulo flashback episode isn't all frivolity? Damon Lindelof: That there were - might actually be some intense mythological answers buried deep within the frivolity? Yes. Carlton Cuse: Or maybe one intense mythological answer buried within the frivolity. [laughing] Damon Lindelof: [chuckling] Yes, the aforementioned issue. Carlton Cuse: Let's say one... um... Yeah, I think that's a... that's a good question. But I think their knowledge of the Swan was pretty limited. And I think when Ben came over there and saw that these people were pushing a button every 108 minutes, I think his skepticism was genuine. Damon Lindelof: I agree. Carlton Cuse: Alright. Well, I think that's pretty good; that's pretty good, you know - I know it's a little rusty; it's been a while, but glad to be back in the swing of things. Damon Lindelof: That's what this WD-40 is for. When you're rusty. So you don't squeak. Carlton Cuse: So, uh, thanks for listening, especially if you've made it this far. Really, thank you a lot. Damon Lindelof: Yes. What are you doing with your life? Go outside; plant a tree. Please. Carlton Cuse: And uh, we will be back to talk to you about Nikki and Paulo sometime very soon. Damon Lindelof: Yes. What's the... what's the title of that episode? Carlton Cuse: Uh... why don't you tell them what the title is? Damon Lindelof: It's "Exposé". Carlton Cuse: Oh. Damon Lindelof: "Exposé". Carlton Cuse: That's an interesting title. Damon Lindelof: I think it's the first title that actually has an accent over one of the vowels. Carlton Cuse: That's true. Damon Lindelof: And we... we are very judicious about using accents over vowels. Carlton Cuse: There are a lot of rules about using accents on the show. Damon Lindelof: I think, in this case, we pulled it off. Carlton Cuse: Yeah, I'm very curious to know why it's called "Exposé". Damon Lindelof: You'll find out very - you'll find out almost instantly, in fact, I would argue in the teaser of the show. Carlton Cuse: Wow. That is so cool. Damon Lindelof: Alrighty. Carlton Cuse: Anyway, well I personally love Nikki and Paulo, so I'm looking forward to that, and I'm looking forward to talking to you about that more, next time when we have our next podcast. So, for now, Carlton saying goodbye. Damon, thanks a lot. I'm glad to be here with you. Damon Lindelof: Thank you, Carlton. I really enjoyed... enjoyed our time together. Carlton Cuse: Okay. Bye-bye now. Damon Lindelof: You didn't even read that. See ya. [both chuckling] [Lost end credits theme music] Kris White: That's it for this podcast. Join us again next week for more inside scoop on Lost, including an exclusive interview with the actress Elizabeth Mitchell. "The Man From Tallahassee" airs Wednesday, March 21 from 10 to 11 PM on ABC, and is available the next day at abc.com.
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