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| - Delete: I'm guess it was meant to be a redirect. Irregardless this is one of the ones I tagged a while back and it was deleted for being an unnecessary redirect. --Charitwo 14:25, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Delete: Unnecessary redirect. --Wayka 15:00, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Keep: Sorry it took me several attempts to get the redirect correct. I could not find info on how to create one at this site. As for this redirect being "unnecessary" ... WS is a very common abreviation for weapon skills among all of the players I've played with. I would guess that all experienced players would know what WS means if seen in their chat logs. If WS is not a valid redirect, please remove MB, EXP, XP, GP, et cetera as redirects also. People can type experience points instead of EXP in the search field. I thought the reason for redirects was to make this site easier to use. Seeing that the wiki search system is less than perfect, I'm in favor of redirecting all common abbreviations to their proper pages. Thanks, IEscape 15:39, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: I do not see a log of this having been deleted before. --Gahoo 15:51, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: WS is a shorthand slang currently listed in Final Fantasy XI Dictionary of Terms and Slang. IEscape does provide a valid point though about other redirects which are shorthand slang and should probably be removed also in the event this would be removed for this reason. The problem with creating redirects for every abbreviation is, besides the fact of creating of several pages, each server, LS, group, or person may use abbreviations in different ways so having redirects ten different ways for one term is too much. That is why the slang page was created, where it will pull up via a search and it has its true link there. The main pages created go by the name as they are in game, in most cases how they would come up in the auto translator field. --Wayka 15:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: "WS" can also mean Wide Scan - if this article is kept, it should be a disambiguation page, not a redirect to Weapon Skill --Ganiman 16:04, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: Per Wayka's comment about Slang. I confused this with the check redirects. Please reference the deletion log from March 16th. This along with MB, EXP, XP, GP need to go and be merged into Final Fantasy XI Dictionary of Terms and Slang. --Charitwo 16:08, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: Concerning slang: AGI, AOE, AF, AH, BLM, BLU, BRD, BST, CHR, COR, D2, DRK, DRG, EXP, GM, GP, HP, INT, KO, MB, MP, MND, MNK, NIN, NM, PLD, PUP, RMT, RSE, SAM, SATA, SMN, STR, THF, TP, VIT, WAR, WHM, XP should all be removed as redirects. That, or you should remove these entries from the Final Fantasy XI Dictionary of Terms and Slang. I don't believe either is necessary, and I believe that redirects are made to make this site more usable. WS is a widely used abbreviation, much like AOE, AF, AH, D2, EXP, GM, GP, MB, NM, RSE, SATA. The redirect for RSE, like the other abbr. mentioned, were created because, honestly, who wants to type "Race Specific Equipment" into the search field to get to that page? I also disagree that WS is slang. It is an abbreviation for an IG term. IG is slang. Noob is slang. WS is not slang, in my opinion. I do see Ganiman's point about WS also being used for Wide Scan. Perhaps the WS page could be a "links" page to the Weapon Skills category and the Wide Scan page? Thanks for your time. I hope you see my point. Sorry for being a wiki-noob. I'm simply trying to make FFXIclopedia a more end-user friendly experience. --IEscape 16:46, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: If it ends up being kept, it would need to be WS and not Ws to conform to FFXIclopedia:Naming Conventions. --Charitwo 16:54, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Keep as {{disambig}}: (1) Let's not take this "unnecessary redirect" concept too far - there is a middle ground between [[Garbage Citadel]] and [[MNK]] as redirects; (2) Many of the abbreviations listed above (MNK, AGI, etc.) are official in that they are used on armor/weapon/ability descriptions by SE; (3) WS is used a lot in game and should direct people to Weapon Skills and Wide Scan pages. --Gahoo 17:37, 12 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: I created the WS disambiguation page a moment ago. I hope it's acceptable, but feel free to edit as necessary. Thanks, IEscape 21:53, 13 April 2007 (EDT) Delete: This page, even if it is a commonly used acronym, is improperly named. By searching for the lower case "ws", the first search result underneath the listing for this page is the "WS" page (capital letters). As this search works, this page is no longer needed. The correctly named page WS qualifies fully as it's own article, as it is a disambig page. I will also add a link to the dictionary, as it is, as an acronym, still slang. --Chrisjander 23:27, 13 April 2007 (EDT) Comment: I agree that this page should be deleted. The use of ws, wS, or Ws in the search field should get to the new disambiguation page. Two points I disagree on, from a semantic viewpoint: 1.
* WS is not an acronym. It is an abbreviation -- or more precisely, an initialism. I believe that most of the entries on the terms and slang page are incorrectly classified as acronyms. This is an interesting read, if you're actually interested. 2.
* WS is not slang. It is an abbreviation, or initialism, of a game term -- Weapon Skill. "Weapon Skill" is not something you would hear in an everyday conversation. Thus, as a part of the FFXI lexicon, a more appropriate way to classify it would be as jargon. Most of the entries on the terms and slang page would be considered jargon (terms is acceptable too), not slang. Words such as "newbie" and "noob" are considered slang. I don't mean to offend, this was just the second time someone refered to WS as slang, so I wanted to share my view. --IEscape 02:39, 14 April 2007 (EDT) Resolution - Delete: Redirect unnecessary, information is adequately represented in both the disambig page WS and the slang dictionary. For purposes of the wiki, "slang" will be considered anything that qualifies for an entry in the Final Fantasy XI Dictionary of Terms and Slang, regardless if it may, technically, be "jargon". By reading the referenced information regarding "abbreviations and initialism", an acronym is used synonymously with an initialism. While "others differentiate between the two terms", we will not. When we in FFXIclopedia say acronym, we mean an "abbreviation formed from initial letters". --Chrisjander 21:55, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
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