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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ I believe we should rename that article. It's not an accurate enough title, since there has been at least one other significant fight that happened during a Harmonic Convergence (which also needs its own article, one of the reasons I started this discussion), and who knows many other pre-Avatar Harmonic Convergences. Having a better name for this also makes it easier to decide on a proper name for an article in the fight Wan became the Avatar as well. I don't think that enumerating them is the way to go ("First Battle during Harmonic Convergence" and such), since technically there has always been a battle during HC. I feel that the best way to make each of the fights to have a distinct and accurate title is to drop the HC reference in the title. For the existing one, I believe that the Dark Avatar should be mentioned, since the existence and participation of one is distinct to that battle, "Battle against the Dark Avatar" for example. Not so sure on what to call the fight Wan took part in. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, February 22, 2014 (UTC) The name really depends on what exactly we want to have on the page. For Wan's battle, that's pretty clear cut since he was the only one doing something. However, with Korra, there were several battles during Harmonic Convergence, namely Korra's battle with Vaatu; Mako and Bolin's battle with Unalaq and then Desna and Eska; Korra's battle with Unalaq as the Dark Avatar; Unalaq siege of Republic City; Bumi, Tenzin, Kya, Mako, and Bolin against the dark spirits; and Korra's projection against Unalaq. If we want to include all those battles on the same page, which would be easiest I think and most appropriate, since they all sort of happened consecutively with an obvious tie to one another, I'd just vote to rename the page "Battles during Harmonic Convergence of 171 AG". Wan's battle can be named similar, though then in singular form and with another date, of course, namely "Battle during Harmonic Convergence of 9,829 AG". 17:26, February 22, 2014 (UTC) Objectively, they work, but I feel they're too wordy. The reason I suggested against the Dark Avatar is because essentially all forces of one side are either the Dark Avatar or his proxies, forces he commands in one way or another. Even against Vaatu, the battle was against the Dark Avatar, against its creation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:43, February 22, 2014 (UTC) Making the name to be something like "Battle against the Dark Avatar" could solely include Korra's battle against Unalaq, both physically and via her projection. All the other battles, while they might be related, are not against the Dark Avatar. As such, I oppose having a page that covers all the battles during Harmonic Convergence have "Dark Avatar" in its name. I rather have a wordy name than a factually incorrect one or one that is stretching the truth, depending on how you want to look at it. 22:47, February 22, 2014 (UTC) I'm ok with the wordy names if in the end they truly are the only possible options, but I still rather wait a bit to see if someone else manages to come up with equally accurate, but briefer names. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:57, February 22, 2014 (UTC) Of course we wait. There is still the three day rule to take into account. 23:00, February 22, 2014 (UTC) i oppose the change, i think it's best left as it is. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 00:49, February 23, 2014 (UTC) And why would that be? As there are very legit reasons that need to be addressed to change this page. At this moment, we know of three Harmonic Convergences occurring and we know of three battles that took place during that moment. As such, the page's current name is inadequate in referring to which battle exactly it deals with. 00:51, February 23, 2014 (UTC) Personally, I don't think they're all that wordy, although I also think that the date should be in parenthesis, to follow in the same path as other pages with dates (Duels (170 AG)/Duels (Summer 100 AG) etc.). It doesn't shorten it by much, I know, but still, it takes out an extra word we don't need. Or, we could just go 'Harmonic Convergence battles (171 AG)', although I think that sounds a bit informal. A bit... eh. 02:19, February 23, 2014 (UTC) I think we should merge Lady Lostris's and Fruipit's ideas. In Lady Lostris's proposal, the grammar is incorrect. It should be "Battles during THE Harmonic Convergence of 171 AG", but that only makes the title wordier. I think Korra's article should be renamed "Battles During Harmonic Convergence (171 AG)", while Wan's article should be named "Battle During Harmonic Convergence (9,829 BG)". DrDman20000 (wall • contribs) 06:55, February 23, 2014 (UTC) This seems reasonable. I support the change. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 21:41, February 24, 2014 (UTC) So, "Battle during the Harmonic Convergence (9,829 BG)" and "Battles during the Harmonic Convergence (171 AG)"? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:12, February 25 2014 (UTC) I'd omit the "the" from the titles. Harmonic Convergence in time like New Years would be for us. As such, you'd say "battle during New Year", not "battle during the New Year". Same goes for Harmonic Convergence. I don't see why grammar would dictate otherwise. 22:06, February 25, 2014 (UTC) the "the" could go either way, iirc, they used both in the series. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 22:33, February 25, 2014 (UTC) True. Seems like it depends on personal preference, as there is no need for it to be there, nor an objection if it is. At least, that seems to be the case when looking at what was said in the show. 22:54, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
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