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| - Hi, I see the amount of work involved at the release of a new book, when the Members section of almost each character must be updated. Won't it be easier to do a template for every character, that would be used in the Members sections? It would be changed only once per character at the release of a book, instead changing the entire Member list for every relative. For example: Template:Alive/Firestar Living (As of ''[[The Fourth Apprentice]]'') and on the character pages, you write e.g.: Grandfather: Firestar: {{Alive/Firestar}} Kind regards, Helixtalk 23:26, March 26, 2010 (UTC) That's a neat idea :) It would save a nice bit of editing when new books come out. The only thing I'm confused about, is why it would be called {{Alive/Charactername}}. Wouldn't we just make one called {{Alive}} and have it say "Living (As of ''[[Most Recent Book]]'', rather than having one for each character? Forgive me if I misunderstood your point. insaneular Talk 23:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC) We can do that way as well. The advantage is having a single template, instead of hundreds. The drawback would be that if a character dies, we still have to change the Members section of dozens of relatives (instead of changing a single template). Helixtalk 00:10, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Oh, I see why you did that now. I still think it would be easier to just change it on the individual pages than make a template for every single character, but if others like the ideas of the individual templates then we can try it. What do you guys think? insaneular Talk 00:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Oh, and another thing, there's probably a way to fix this, but on the family member sections, we usually only link the first time the book title is said, so we'd either need to have two templates, a 'parameter' for it (which I don't know how to code but someone probably does, like Lightning) that tells if it should be linked or not, or just type the first one manually then use the template for the rest of them... insaneular Talk 00:13, March 27, 2010 (UTC) One question. One big huge question. What in the world does thee mean? Is this template used like the Alleg template to reduce effort. How will it only have to be changed just once per character? Wouldn't we have to change it for the character on all pages where they are mentioned in the members section? Perseus | Perseus , Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero 04:16, March 27, 2010 (UTC) The way I understand it, there will be a coding for a cat, say Sandstorm: {{Alive/Sandstorm}}. We put that in the members section of any article where she is a member of the family of that cat; i.e: Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Lionblaze, etc. Then, when the next book comes out, we just change the template to say: Living (As of [[Book name]]), instead of changing every single page in which she is listed as family member. This is actually a really neat idea. It would save the amount of work having to be done on the pages. The transition will be hard, but after that it might really pay off. --Bramble 05:02, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Giving it some more thought, we can take this to the next level by using two types of templates: Template:Living Living (As of Fading Echoes) Template:Alive/Firestar {{Living}} Template:Alive/Sandstorm {{Living}} This would combine the advantages of both Insane's and my idea, i.e.:
* When a new book is released, we don't have to change all Alive/character templates, just the Living template
* When a character dies, we don't have to change the Members section of all relatives, just the Alive/character template Regarding the amount of work: we don't have to make Alive templates for all cats; just for the still living characters of the main series (of course, it's still a lot of work, but it would pay off). To reply Insane's question about linking: I don't think we have to link the book title at all; it already exists linked at least twice in the article (in the Charcat box and in the History). Helixtalk 06:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Okay, I think I get what you meant now. That seems like it would work :) Does anyone have any objections to this idea before we start working out how to implement it? insaneular Talk 15:35, March 27, 2010 (UTC) Got it at last. Neat idea. Hmmm, minor work to do again. Reminds me of the categorizing and redirecting work I used to do as a new member. Nice. Perseus | Perseus , Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero 10:57, March 29, 2010 (UTC) . Also, another idea I had, User:Grayravenpaw/Dead, which is basically the same as the Living template, only for dead cats. The template shows only the default option. To see all the uses go to my sandbox, and take a look at the bottom of he page. I have started creating the Alive templates.Perseus | Perseus , Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero 11:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC) I'll help you create the Living Templates. Hm, we would need three Dead Templates and one Status Unknown. Well, actually we would need more Dead Templates for cats whose residence is unknown. But, do we really need Dead templates? It would be more for consistency with the Living templates rather than being easier to change when a new book comes out. → Skyfeather 17:02, March 29, 2010 (UTC) I can also help out if needed. As for your question: yeah, we don't really need Dead or Unknown templates as they do not change after each book release. We would need only:
* Living (As of Most Recent Book)
* Living (As of Some Other Book) <- for example, manga characters like Barley in A Clan in Need Helixtalk 18:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC) Heh, sorry, I went ahead and did them all. But, I was thinking, should we have a seperate category for the Alive templates? In case we need to change something on one of them or need to keep track of them. → Skyfeather 19:11, March 29, 2010 (UTC) Grr, things like this always happen when I'm unable to help XD I won't be on much for the next couple days to help, but it looks like you guys have this covered. Thanks, and if there's anything to still be done when I get back, I'll lend a hand. And agreed with Helix that we don't need dead templates; but I don't think we need the living as of other book ones either since a) not a lot of characters have that and b) for most of them the other books are long enough ago that we should put Status Unknown anyways. insaneular Talk 19:13, March 29, 2010 (UTC) Hmmm. Can I put the templates or have you finished that as well? By the way, Insane, according to Helix's timeline, Warrior's Return, where Barley and Ravenpaw last appear (according to the timeline Warrior's Return takes place two seasons after A Clan in Need), takes place just around a season before Fading Echoes, so is the time really too long for us to put "Living (As of Warrior's Return) or should we just put "Status Unknown" for them (Barley and Ravenpaw)? Perseus | Perseus , Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero 09:00, March 30, 2010 (UTC) Hm, I suppose you're right, that is pretty close. I was thinking more for the other mangas, like Ravenpaw's Path, which take place even before the second series, (right?) so that would be awfully long to say they're still alive. insaneular Talk 11:08, March 30, 2010 (UTC) We can also put it like: "Last seen alive in Warrior's Return". Helixtalk 15:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC) Would Eclipse be considered a long tinme ago? Five books, and we have no idea of the status of Stormfur and Brook. MaplefernCarrying the torch... 23:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC) I think if we're using Warrior's Return, we should be fine using Eclipse. → Skyfeather 23:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
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