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- I do not feel that there is currently sufficient reason to move network. freenode is generally stable unless suffering from a DDoS attack as today; the same cannot be said of quite a lot of other networks on which netsplits are a regular occurrence at all times. freenode is now the largest IRC network, so it is to be expected that it will be a target. There are plenty of network opers around, but there is little they can do about such an attack.
We have considered switching network in the past, but decided against it. I believe that the reasons present then are still present now. We are an established channel with an appreciable userbase, and a significant number of those users would always be lost in a move. Furthermore, there is a root structure of related projects also present on freenode as well as a large number of 'side-channels' created by and used by numerous members of our channel. Furthermore, freenode is the go-to network for the type of peer-directed project a wiki such as this represents, so it is where people are most likely to expect our IRC channel to be located.
Network disruption would have to become far greater and more prolonged than it has been for it to tip the balance against these costs. For the record, our secondary choice of network would be EsperNet. But, again, to be completely clear, we currently have no intention of leaving freenode and this recent netsplit does not change that.
- (Also, thanks for throwing me under the bus Cat. Who told me what the alleged commands were, hmmmm?)
- I am not the "ruler" of the IRC. I am one of the people that enforce the rules. The rules are clearly stated on the page. I didn't just make them all up . Nobody has had a problem with them. If you do have a problem with them, by all means, feel free to bring the matter up.
Do take into account that discussing the rules and accusing me of arbitrarily imposing them are two distinct things.
It has happened often that politics and religion and football are taboo subjects because they can quickly degenerate into flame wars. Simple as that.
I invite you, BlueH, to discuss any change you think would be convenient for the chatroom. Just keep in mind that until a concensus is reached, dura lex sed lex and the rules must be followed.
- Three things:
1. Apparently Faethin is the undisputed ruler of the IRC chatroom and all its bylaws. This a thing, why?
2. Who decided that we aren't allowed to discuss politics? It appears that Faethin just thought that up on his own. Shouldn't everybody decide on this business? This is a thing, why?
- Let me see if I can't get it fixed.
- Agreed with KujaRhapsodos. There is no harm with keeping it around, even if no one uses it.
- I agree with Faethin. I've been dwelling in #FFWiki-help for the last few weeks, and I have not even once seen it used. Once or twice, I have seen messages in there, but they were simply nonsense or irrelevant to the purpose of the channel. All wiki-related conversation already takes place on #FFWiki, and there is a much larger community on #FFWiki to answer such questions. I fully support the removal of this channel.
- I use it once in a while. I understand that people in the main channel can also answer, but they also may not know the answer, they may be busy in other conversations and having other people speak between the question and answer can get matters confusing. Also my questions have always been answered by JudgeZarbi, who does not inhabit #FFWiki. Finally, is there really a problem with keeping #FFWiki-help up? Wasted bandwith or something? If it doesn't harm, then I don't think it should be removed, as I think it is useful .
- I can't join the channel tonight, I keep being told by both Chatzilla and the Freenode Web Client that "Cannot join channel - you must be invited". Have I been kicked out or something? I thought we were all bros.
- Is there a problem with the IRC? Everytime I try to log on, it instantly disconects me. What's the problem?
- Since our regular channel #FFWiki no longer requires identification, the purpose of #FFWiki-help, which was orignally set up in case people had quick questions and wanted to ask them without the hassle of making an account and joining the main channel, is left void. So I propose we remove it.
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| - Wow, a whole lot of fail here. I'm not back at my computer yet, so I can't see if this got fixed properly, but for the record, the bot had to be quieted due to abuse of the ping all command , and it was unfortunate that this happened just before I had to leave. I did offer to tell JC the command to unquiet it before I left, but I got no reply. <_<
Oh, and Cat: DALnet is a completely different IRC network using a completely different ircd and Services package. Using a guide for that to try and do things on freenode is... not helpful. Sometimes Google is not your friend, evidently.
EDIT: Well, that was a lot of melodrama, worthy of the dark days of KHWiki. I won't expand on that here , but this does highlight that the !ping all command really needs to be removed. It has not been used for anything but spam for over a year now; I have only seen it legitimately used once. The command is useless and really demonstrates a very poor understanding of how IRC works. Channel notices are a part of IRC designed specifically to attract attention; the !ping all command is less effective, spammy, outdated and utterly pointless. Even if one wanted to mass-highlight nicks , doing so manually with tab-complete is not difficult.
Finally, freenode staff have operator rights in our channel for a reason. If there is a problem and there are no OPs available to sort it out or if the OPs present don't understand how to sort it out, contact a network staffer in #freenode
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