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| - This is a great piece, because it reveals a lot. Basically, Kirk flat out admits they follow the divine command theory when stating they should do something simply because their God tells them to do so. This also implies that Kirk and Ray may not have ever had a clue that they should be nice to their parents unless some supernatural being told them to. What if this same being told them to murder their parents - while many theists say this would never happen, the thing is that history is filled with instances just like this.
Finally, note the part where Kirk says "in my mind..." instead of saying "The Bible says this or that." Basically, this shows here that Kirk is guilty of doing exactly what Ray accused Alex of doing earlier: creating a personal concept of God in his head. What does the Bible say about how to properly honor thy parents? Well, Jesus told you to HATE your parents, and not just your parents but also hate your loved ones and even hate your own life.
- okay, lets make this very clear: taking God's name in vain does not mean using his name as a cuss word. It is taking the Lord's name under a false oath or promises. This means Kirk and Ray's premise is completely off, and thus their entire argument throughout this program is demonstrably false.
- No details here explaining exactly how to honor parents. Do we obey them in everything? How long do we obey them? Until we die? There is obvious some merit in the idea expressed by this commandment, but there is precious little guidance here beyond a general principle that parents should be respected. Isn’t this just another variation of the bible’s “respect authority” message? Wouldn’t a moral principle suggest that you should not do anything to hurt your parents, that you should not take advantage of them, and that you should treat them with the basic respect deserved advisors? What if they belong to a kooky or abusive religious cult? What if they are evil? We all know some parents do not deserve to be honored or obeyed. How do you “honor” a father who commits incest? Notice also that the rationale “that thy days may be long” is an appeal to self-interest, not to the value of parents as human beings.
- "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." So does even Ray, keep the law? Is Ray ignorant of what the law even states or commands what not to do on the Sabbath? Does he do the following on the Sabbath...
*Tie a knot - as one would tie your shoelaces every morning
**This commandment also forbids brushing one’s hair because a knot in your hair may be undone.
*Light a fire - do you make eggs over the stove for breakfast?
*Turn on the lights – does Ray flick the switch even once?
*Drive - do Ray take a ride on the Sabbath?
*Rip toilet paper - are we sure Ray rips toilet paper the day beforehand?
*Touch money - stick his hand in his wallet perhaps? Gather change?
Odds are, both Ray and Kirk definitely do all of these . And yet, Ray and Kirk are the ones who are demanding the rest of us to keep all the Commandments when they themselves are unlikely to do the same. They are the ones who say "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" but Ray looks like a hypocrite.
Some may say that these laws are from the Old Testament and/or they no longer matter, then why bother asking people if they have kept the 10 commandments!? If the old laws no longer apply, then why go around asking people "are you a good person?"since the Commandments are from the Old Testament. This reveals Ray and Kirk's entire position is inconsistent.
In other words, "Do as I say, not as I do."
Btw, doing any of the above things on the Sabbath is punishable by death.
- Kirk Cameron is obviously lying that he was ever an atheist. How can anyone tell? He cannot correctly explain what an atheist even is. By definition an atheist is someone who lacks a belief in God. How badly does Kirk get that wrong? Kirk defines an atheist you "believes everything came from nothing..." he says more, but that right there is enough. Anyone with the slightest familiarity of atheism knows it is not a belief system, rather it is the lack of a belief system. So to claim atheist believe x,y,z, is demonstrably incorrect.
- More appropriate question: Do you keep the Sabbath day holy AFTER you were a Christian?
- Someone has not seen Life of Brian. It will tell you all you need to know about blaspheme. It is not saying "God dammit" "oh, my God" or "Jesus fuckin' Christ." Rather, it is simply saying God's name - HIS ACTUAL NAME - out loud.
- Not once do they explain HOW to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. There is no explanation at all. What do you do, what don't you do on the Sabbath? Do either of them have the slightest idea? If so, why not share it? What is the point of telling us about a Commandment and not explain how to properly follow it? Why just leave everyone in the dark? While people are left in the dark they carry on feeling guilty and carry on buying Ray and Kirk’s religious material.
- If a person called Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron a "S. O. M. - Son of a Monkey" they would be upset. The sad truth for both of them is that IS the truth.
Important Note: S.O.M. is barely an insult at all. It is like calling Ray and Kirk "Son of a Mammal" and no one gets offended because it is an undeniable fact that all humans are mammals. No one takes offense to that in the slightest. But it only comes as the pinnacle of offense to Ray and Kirk is calling them what they are by definition: hominids. Ray and Kirk have no problem telling others that they will burn for eternity for a petty crime against THEIR God, but they say "how dare you call us apes!!!"
- Why only ask a question about the mother? Is it perhaps that Christianity has a misogynist view and history?
What if your father was a Nazi. Do you honor him?
- What a terrible attempt to make a moral argument in favor of God and his Commandments. "God is good towards those who obey him" is essentially the divine command theory - that whatever God demands must be done, which includes killing another person. As the above quoted showed us, God is in favor of killing others. In God's eyes, the man is guilty, but why make murderers out of the rest of the congregation? Imitating or obeying the God of the Bible does not lead to what most people would call decent behaviour. In order to be decent Christians must be selective about how they obey and imitate their God see Christian morality.
- Ray flat out lied that the Old Testament teaches about Hell. It does not mention Hell at all. In the Hebrew Bible the word Sheol appears at least 67 times. In the Old Testament of The King James Version of the bible when Sheol is not translated as hell it is translated as Grave or Pit and in Isaiah 7:11 Sheol is not translated at all in The King James Version but it is translated in other version of the bible such as The New American Standard Bible and the New Revised Standard Version. In the Septuagint, or The Old Testament in Greek, Sheol is translated as Hades. In The New American Standard Bible and The New Revised Standard Version Sheol is properly translated in The Old Testament as Hades is properly translated in the New Testament.
In The Book of Ecclesiastes and Job every person, righteous and wicked will end up in Sheol and in Numbers even the living can be swallowed by the Earth and to and go down live to Sheol but what is Sheol?
In Jewish Mythology Sheol is the land of the dead, apparently under the earth from which the pillars of the earth extend on which the world is set , a place ruled by God himself , an abode of Silence where God is not praised, a place from where you should not expect to return from . In Sheol though there is apparently a place of comfort commonly referred to as The Bosom of Abraham , the place of the righteous, an idea that predates Christianity . The idea of Sheol seems removed from the idea of the separate places of heaven and hell and more closely resembles the early concept of Hades in Greek Mythology which can be confirmed by comparing verses such as Acts 2:27 or Acts 2:31 to Psalm 16:10.
- How about you ask a real professional? Ray may think Kirk is knowledgeable in Christianity, but it must be reminded that neither of them possess a degree of any type in religious studies. Basically, all Ray is doing here is asking for Kirk's own personal interpretation of the Bible to fit his views. We shall explain why Kirk is wrong and the correct view in a moment.
- First of all, God is not his name. His name is Yahweh, or Jealous .
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