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| - What if those edits are clear vandalism? For months I always adopted a "If you vandal you take the banhammer" approach. Because at least a year ago, I found out the hard way, when I had to go through every single Jutsu page because someone copied it from Leafninja, that if you give a vandal so much as a second chance, it'll be your last.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Eh, the block policy to me just looks like it gives vandals and bad eggs a lot of wiggle room to be bad. I don't like that.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Ya, same here..I've Reverted enough to know....There are a few who stop at one page...But most just keeps goin until blocked...If i may make a suggestion, if sum1 vandalises, give them a short block immediately, as a warning, and once that expires, if they keep goin, make the block more permanent....--AlienGamer--Talk-- 11:43, 16 August 2009 (UTC) There are plenty of anons who come here, vandalize a page or two, then never come back. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Aug 17, 2009 @ 02:47 (UTC) Thats wat i meant by temporary block...Like 30 mins, or sumthin, and if they come bak, maybe make it a week....I mean ppl who page blank, or writhe sumthin like "i Like Pie" or makes sum sexual reference, hardly has any intention of helping this wiki...I just think it giving too much room. If the problem is, othr good editors with the same IP, then i think maybe an Hours ban, will suffice....Just my opinion...--AlienGamer--Talk-- 02:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC) I know this isn't related to blocking per se, and that there probably isn't anything we can do about it, but can we fix the welcoming-system? People make an unproductive edit and then get a "Thanks for your edit" message. ~SnapperTo 03:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Those vandals that make a edit or two and never come back, usually don't because I (or more recently, Jacce) ban them. I am telling you, a small slap on the wrist only encourages things.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Yep, me with the Ultimate, vandals dont mean to come back and help the wiki....I just see sysops hesitating to block, and giving vandals free reign ovr wat to do......At the very least a short ban, to see if they learn their lesson, if they have, well good for them, they can help out as much as they like, if they dont hovevr, making the block longer seems only sensible....--AlienGamer--Talk-- 10:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC) And as a small sidenote, since Jacce started blocking, the number of vandals have reduced significantly...i wud know, as i've reverted plenty of them...--AlienGamer--Talk-- 10:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC) And at the same time I've got complaints from users about unreasonable blocks, and looked through the block log to see plenty of potential contributors who made a single mistake and got blocked for it. The welcome system isn't really something that can be changed without disabling, if it bothers you just delete the talkpage if you have to block a vandal. Wiki are founded on assuming good faith and not taking things to the extreme. You can't say that vandals haven't been coming back because of blocks because those blocks stop you from even knowing whether they come back or not. Wiki are based on a model of keeping things open, reverting bad things, and blocking only when the bad goes to an extreme. If you don't feel like reverting then let someone else do it, there are plenty of editors on the wiki. Also don't forget about AbuseFilter which shouldn't take too much longer to be rolled out. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Aug 17, 2009 @ 16:49 (UTC)
* Looks stern in Dantman's eyes* Very well. Very well...lets see how this plays out.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
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