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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ Now that we have articles on two lion turtles, I feel its important to distinguish the fact that they're different, and I propose we name the other Lion turtle "Energybending lion turtle" to match the way that the second Lion turtle article is named. Other than the fact that there are two, I think it was confusing enough that the actual article about the species of Lion Turtle and the Lion turtle itself had almost the same name, and this way we can name the species page "Lion Turtle". 03:14, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Not "Energybending Lion Turtle" since all of the Lion Turtles are energybenders. Perhaps something in parentheses would be better, similar to how they are used to differentiate Bumi from Bumi. So "Lion Turtle (Fire)" for the Lion Turtle with Wan's home city on its back, etc. The other issue is that there's always the possibility that the Lion Turtle Aang encountered is one of the ones that once had a city on its back. LoveWaffle (wall • contribs) 03:34, October 19, 2013 (UTC) I can't check now, but it seems the credits called the airbending lion turtle "Air lion turtle". If we follow that pattern, it would be "Fire lion turtle". Since "Energy lion turtle" doesn't quite work, I suggest "Last lion turtle". Hopefully, we won't learn that there are hidden colonies somewhere, or that lion turtles simply forgot about each other and miraculously never bumped into one another. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:40, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Omnibender, I guess that works. But what's the problem with Energy Lion turtle? I don't mind last lion turtle, I'm just curious ^^ 04:10, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Probably because all of them are energy lion turtles, as they are all energybenders. 04:12, October 19, 2013 (UTC) I support "Lat Lion turtle" as well, because he was just that. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 14:04, October 19, 2013 (UTC) I don't think we need to rename the original lion turtle page at all. The only "new" lion turtles that we have enough info to create new articles for are the fire and air lion turtles. The air LT is named in the credits as Air lion turtle, and the fire LT could be named "Fire lion turtle". or "Lion turtle (fire)". I don't see what need there is for the original LT to be renamed. 14:16, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Though I agree that we need some way to make it clear that "Lion Turtle" refers to the one that Aang encountered, I have a problem with the pages "Air lion turtle" and "Fire lion turtle", solely based on the fact that Aye-Aye said there are "dozens of lion turtles", indicating that there isn't just a single fire turtle, and a single air turtle. In fact, I don't think they warrant their own pages, so much as individual sections on a joint page. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 16:15, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Some what building on WS's idea, I think if we had a single Lion turtle page, with sections for all turtles (Energy, Fire, and Air), it would work much better. Srijay K - TechFilmer 16:17, October 19, 2013 (UTC) That sounds good to me— I think it would work. 20:28, October 19, 2013 (UTC) An argument could possibly be made for the necessity of an article on the air lion turtle, but for the fire lion turtle, certainly we have enough to make a separate article. I think having some sort of joint LT page would be more confusing than having separate pages. Any confusion over which LT the article "Lion turtle" refers to would be clarified as soon as someone viewed the page. I think the best system is to maintain what we have now; separate articles for the known LTs, and a general LT species page that gives an overview of all three. 20:36, October 19, 2013 (UTC) Ha, I started a merger request for the elemental turtles via the VfD before noticing this page. So yeah, I'm with TF on this one: I see little need for having separate pages for all the elemental turtles, since two of them are currently copy/paste pages that are just slightly modified. Sure, the fire and the air turtle have a bit more history to them that could warrant a separate page for them, but their specific history is not that significant that it would unnecessarily elongate a combined page where they each have their own sections. And it is as WS said, Aye-Aye stated that there are dozens of LTs, so they are likely not the only one. In that regard, I propose we either merge them all with the lion turtle (species) page, or we create a new one in the form of "lion turtle cities" or something, though I am more in favor of merging them together on the species page. As for renaming the LT that Aang encountered: interesting tidbit, that LT has the same symbol on its forehead as the fire lion turtle does. 14:10, October 20, 2013 (UTC) I add my agreement for merging them onto the LT species page; seems silly to do a whole additional page for these different lion turtles when we essentially can use that page for them. 14:16, October 20, 2013 (UTC) I think that one page for all the lion turtles would work. Only potential problem is that unlike the Chou family, we don't have one image showing all, or even the majority of them. Page could get a bit cluttered if we do want images on all of them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:20, October 20, 2013 (UTC) i also agree that we should have a single page called "lion turtle". even if we wanted a picture of each, i don't think the page would get that cluttered. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 17:00, October 20, 2013 (UTC) I think a single image is fine enough. We don't need to show every variation there is in the infobox image. Srijay K - TechFilmer 17:56, October 20, 2013 (UTC) It's not a big deal choosing an infobox, because whichever one we choose, it'll still be a lion turtle and it'll essentially represent the same thing. Take Avatar Temple; the profile image is of the temple in the Fire Nation because that was the most established of all of them. The rest are described and shown in a gallery section. I don't see an issue doing the same thing with the lion turtles in the Era of Raava. So essentially, we'll end up with:
* A page for the species itself, which will just be a general overview.
* A page for the lion turtle Aang encountered, which will be a character page.
* A page for all the lion turtles from the origins special, which will be a group page of sorts. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 23:21, October 20, 2013 (UTC) My concern with the number of images was precisely because I didn't know if we'd make a gallery, which resolves my only reservation in having a single article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:26, October 20, 2013 (UTC) even if we did want to show each lion turtle, there is still only five of them, and five pictures isn't that many, and certaintly not enough to be considered cluttered. even including some other pictures of lion turtles, it wouldn't be that bad. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 00:35, October 21, 2013 (UTC) On tumblr, somebody pointed out that it is possible that the lion turtle Aang met and the one Wan knew were the same, as they both had the same markings on their forehead. I am not sure how this would affect the articles, but thinking about it, it may be speculation to consider the two different or the same. 23:20, October 21, 2013 (UTC) Already pointed that out in my previous post ;-) Though that doesn't necessarily have to mean anything as there were said to be dozens of LTs, so there could've been more firebending turtles. 23:23, October 21, 2013 (UTC) Ah! Totally missed that :P. But yeah, thinking through it more I feel like merging all of the articles onto one page with sort of "x encountered it during x" sections the way we do for some other fauna articles makes the most sense to me— since after all we don't know if the turtles Aang and Wan encountered were different. 03:03, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
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