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| - I'm wondering whether we can find a layout which fits every type of item or whether we'll need to split it up. For instance, armor and weapons need a "Characteristics" section which most standard items won't need. I guess we could always make it optional, don't know really. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC) We could, there's a lot of weapons that have different characteristics but it shouldn't be to hard to put the unique characteristics of weapons and armor. Shadowrunner56 07:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Consumable items will also need an "Effects" section, while quest items will probably have a "Related quests" section. Ausir(talk) 10:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC) Actually I think "effects" is the same as "characteristics" - after all, the characteristics of a drug are its effects, aren't they? And related quests is a section all sorts of items need (for example, armor or weapons which can only be obtained through a ceratin quest need one, too). -- Porter21 (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC) First proposal up. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC) We also need a layout for items appearing in more than one game, by the way. Ausir(talk) 13:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC) Well, I guess we only need to figure out whether we rather want the sections repeated under game headers or each section split up with game headers. The first is what we're currently doing. In general (especially for weapon and armor pages), I'm starting to think we should split the pages more often; it's starting to get cramped on some pages and it's only going to get worse with FNV and FO4. -- Porter21 (talk) 20:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC) I agree. Weapons such as the Brass Knuckles and Alien Blaster appeared in all Fallouts probably should be on individual pages for sanity sake. As for videos, I see it isn't discussed here but I've been moving these either superfluous or poor quality videos to the talk page. If there is no replacement and the video is needed I'll leave it in. Let me know.--Kingclyde 00:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Not a big fan of splitting these, but even if we do that, I'd still keep the main pages not as disambigs, but as describing a given item lore-wise. Ausir(talk) 17:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Yeah, that's what I had in mind. Basically a "lore" article at the main page and pages with game-specific things like stats, locations, bugs etc at "main page (Fallout 2)". I like the lore-oriented overall articles but with more and more games being added to the series (and the most current games wandering deeper and deeper down the page) it's simply impractical for readers to cram it all in one page. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC) I removed references from the Shocker article that make no sense at all. Can one of you bureaucrats review my edits to the Shocker, Fisto and Power Fist and let me know if I am in the wrong? --Kingclyde 16:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC) I've replied on your talk page. I understand the whole issue is somewhat aggravating for you; however, it'd have been better to leave a message on my or Ausir's talk page and keep this page for discussion about the layout. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Thanks, maybe I could have left my frustrations out of it but the edits to the pages do belong here and need to be discussed. I need to know if what I am doing is acceptable or not. More editors will read this versus my talk page for replies on my edits correctness or incorrectness.--Kingclyde 17:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Well, in my opinion stuff like what Trivia to keep is more within the scope of the Policy and guidelines project and not this one. No offense, let's just leave it at that. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC) No offense taken but I am not talking about trivia I'm discussing the layout of those articles. What do you guys think of the repair section? And the basic format stuff that pertains to this project.--Kingclyde 18:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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