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| - Antagonist of a novel that does not have an article, part of a novel series that does not have an article. Entirely in-universe, no sources. Does not appear to meet criteria for inclusion. Surely before we create articles for fictional characters, we should have articles for the fiction they come from. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 20:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
* merge the nov el series does indeed have an article: Drenai Series. There's a section on characters that this can be merged to. alternatively, the article on this book can be written--it's the only one in the series without a separate article--and the material merged there. The first step in dealing with articles like this is to identify and check the associated articles DGG ( talk ) 03:08, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
* To clarify, I was referring to Skilgannon the Damned, of which White Wolf is the first book (according to this article). Drenai Series appears to be a meta-series that contains this series... or something. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 03:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 00:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
* So maybe a small amount of the content from this article could appropriately be merged to Drenai Series, but should the commonplace phrase "The Old Woman" remain as a redirect to that article--is that really the most helpful target? Even this article contains unrelated material about "Other Old Women in popular culture". I'd be inclined to delete the redirect post-merge, but I would like to know what others think about that.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
* Merge with a redirect under The Old Woman (White Wolf character). I was going to say that we could have the article redirect, but Arxiloxos makes a good point. The term "old woman" is far too vague of a term to redirect and if we do have a redirect, it should be with a term that's more specific to the series. In any case, the character seems to have no notability outside of the series and doesn't warrant an article all to herself. An article on old women in pop culture does sound interesting, but so far the terms in the article seem to be just trivia and not really worth saving and putting in an article as they are now.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:23, 28 June 2012 (UTC) If that is the outcome, the current page should be moved to that title before redirection & merger, to maintain history. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC) I just moved it as you suggested, but this still gives a redirect from The Old Woman to the new title--I'm not sure what to do about it that will simultaneously provide attribution and avoid confusion. DGG ( talk ) 05:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC) There is no attribution problem, as now The Old Woman has no history, so it can redirect to old woman or something with no worries. If content is merged into Drenai Series or somewhere similar, it just needs to be noted that it was merged from The Old Woman (White Wolf character), where all of the history is. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 06:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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