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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ With the proclamation of the Earth Empire in the last episode, I propose to change the title of this article from Kuvira's Army to Earth Empire Army, since it's no longer an army which follows Kuvira ideal of order and unity, but the army of the new state created by Kuvira, in charge of keeping the borders and the order of the Earth Empire. Even if the Empire is not reconized by the other Nation, in pratice it have replaced the Earth Kingdom : the Earth Empire is a state, because it have a territory (Earth Kingdom), an administration (Governors whom have pledged their loyalty to Kuvira) and a governement (Kuvira and her Army staff). Maxattac (wall • contribs) 00:24, October 18, 2014 (UTC) If it is the Empire then shouldn't it be called "Imperial Earth Army"? --Galactic Emperor (wall • contribs) 15:47, October 18, 2014 (UTC) I support the change, also because "Earth Empire" is a canonical name, while "Kuvira's army" is a non-canonical placeholder name. In regard to Galactic Emperor's question: While Kuvira's army was just an army, the new Earth Empire is a whole new (unrecognized) state. When we rename the article, the new imperial army will get its own section as part of the overall article. DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 19:26, October 18, 2014 (UTC) I second the motion. In fact, I was the one who renamed it in the first place. Superlogan7437 (wall • contribs) 22:08, October 18, 2014 (UTC) I oppose this for now... they aren't really an official soverign state yet, so i think we should hold off on renaming her army for a bit. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 16:36, October 20, 2014 (UTC) Considering that Kuvira named the institution so, I believe the rename is appropriate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:13, October 20, 2014 (UTC) I agree that it should be renamed the Earth Empire Army, because it has been made canonical, upon Kuvira's declaration. While it is important to acknowledge that the Empire is not recognized by any other Nation, it exists physically as an entity. Just because a state is unrecognized does not mean it's physical existence is not acknowledged, and neither does it mean that it's presence is not recorded in encyclopedias. Recognition is just purely diplomatic. I believe we are just complicating things by having to dive into complex politics of state recognition, which I find completely unnecessary. From a story-telling perspective, the Earth Empire is canonical, and it has a very important role in the plot. Torresp (wall • contribs) 00:20, October 23, 2014 (UTC) To nitpick: recognition is what makes a state a state. Without it, it is nothing but a name people want to make reality. However, whether or not the Earth Empire is recognized is irrelevant to this discussion, since this solely details about Kuvira's army, which she does intend to use to (or perhaps always have thought to use to) defend the Earth Empire and as such she does sees it as the "Earth Empire Army". 00:34, October 23, 2014 (UTC) It needs to be changed. They are now referred to as such and plus a Earth Empire page needs to be created. It is no different from whwn Zaheer revealed the Red Lotus. KevinTriforce (wall • contribs) 23:17, October 25, 2014 (UTC) I don't think it needs to be changed, or at the very least, I think the change should still make it so the page ends up being a military page for the Earth Empire. The Earth Empire itself warrants its own page, and a military that is as extensive as Kuvira's has more than enough information for its own as well. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 17:19, October 26, 2014 (UTC) On the question whether or not the Earth Empire deserves its on page, I would wait until the book is over to see what actually becomes of the Earth Empire. If it all just becomes "Earth Kingdom" again, then the history in regards to the Earth Empire should be noted on the Earth Kingdom history. 17:40, October 26, 2014 (UTC) Must we wait till the end of the series to make a consensus? Superlogan7437 (wall • contribs) 03:11, October 27, 2014 (UTC) i think that's our best option right now. Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 15:43, October 27, 2014 (UTC) Or we can vote, personally I vote for this option: Renaming Kuvira's Army as the Earth Empire with a sub-category for the military aspect containing the uniforms informations and the military members of Kuvira's organization. Maxattac (wall • contribs) 16:13, October 28, 2014 (UTC) I think that Kuvira's army would be better renamed to "Earth Empire Army", or a more suited name if one is revealed in this week's episode, given that that is how they see themselves, and that the Earth Kingdom article should be left as is for now, and renamed if "Earth Empire" becomes its prevalent name in a future episode. An "Earth Empire" article would be the history of the Earth Empire, which I think can be included on the Earth Kingdom article, whereas the history of the EE Army is far more notable, and a better continuation of the article as it stands. 21:18, October 28, 2014 (UTC) Per HoT. I personally would rename to "Military of the Earth Empire" to fall in line with other similar pages. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 21:52, October 28, 2014 (UTC) "Military of the Earth Empire" sounds good to me, and as you said would be in line with other similar articles. Also, it seems from the preview of the next episode that Kuvira has more than just an army at her disposal (evidenced by the airships under her control) so EE Army may not be the most applicable title anyway. 21:59, October 28, 2014 (UTC) While I still think we should create a new article for the Earth Empire, I see the point in waiting and support the change of "Kuvira's army" to "Military of the Earth Empire". DyingFlameTsui (wall • contribs) 13:30, October 29, 2014 (UTC) I second the motion. Superlogan7437 (wall • contribs) 23:04, October 30, 2014 (UTC) I third the motion. KevinTriforce Talk 18:51, November 1, 2014 (UTC) If everybody else agrees then can we all refrain from commenting on this forum anymore so the three days can pass and the page can be renamed? The faster this closes, the faster the page can be renamed and adjustments can be made. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 05:53, November 2, 2014 (UTC) in this case it doesn't really matter though, b/c didn't we agree it was best to wait and see what happens? Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 13:38, November 2, 2014 (UTC) The consensus as it stands is to rename the page to "Military of the Earth Empire" and wait in regards to creating an Earth Empire page. 14:30, November 2, 2014 (UTC) I think that it won't really matter until the end. Due to the fact that history is written by the victors, they cannot be named the Earth Empire until they have already won. At this point they should be called the butthurt Earth Benders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beong Beong (wall • contribs) 14:32, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
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