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* Minor, but still annoying thing about "Something Borrowed"... after Owen offers Toshiko that dance, where the hell do they go? They're not in the background when the others are dancing, even though Gwen's parents and such are. I would've liked to see them dance; it was a sweet moment.
* Unfortunately, we don't see them dancing as far as I know. Some crew member or writer apparently felt that the fans would rather see more of the Gwen, Jack, and Ianto in their confusing pseudo-Love Triangle. Tosh and her dead man can be seen watching Jack and Jones dancing if you look closely. But that's about it.
* Speaking about the series as a whole: Why is Torchwood so fucking incompetent?
* Offscreen, they're not. But the most dangerous stuff happens when they screw up, so that's what we see. Same principle as Starfleet security.
* Off-screen doesn't count, though. We can only go by the evidence we've got. And the evidence we've got... indicates Torchwood Cardiff just ain't up to the job.
* How the hell does off-screen not count? Anyway, the important thing is that the Earth is still pretty damn intact despite all the shit that's thrown at it in the way of alien threats, which to my mind says Torchwood Cardiff are plenty up to the job.
* Yeah I'm pretty sure the aforementioned Starfleet thing explains it. Doctor Who has the excuse of a sentient ship which literally throws him into the path of trouble whenever it feels like it, but since Torchwood doesn't have that... I always thought that half the point of Torchwood was "humans screw up bad, but hang on, they'll get there in the end"?
* "Earth is still pretty damn intact despite all the shit that's thrown at it in the way of alien threats, which to my mind says Torchwood Cardiff are plenty up to the job" you don't think that might be some one else's doing?
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* Part of the problem might be, as discussed below, Jack seems to have made TW 3 into a foster home for messed-up people and hotties who won't leave him alone. He didn't hire Ianto at first, even though he knew he had the qualifications. It took wrestling on the ground/an almost kiss for Mr. TW 1 survivor to get a job. Actually, that was after he told Jack he was messed-up. So I don't even know. His screening/hiring methods suck. Clearly.
* Okay here's the most basic explanation I can come up with for Torchwood's incompetence: we're a moderately primitive (SJA called us "level five" which apparantly means "smart enough to talk, not smart enough for lightspeed yet") species dealing with a stonking great rift in time and space. Said Rift reguarly throws out completely alien stuff at us which may be from places far technologically superior to our own, violent, or simply from a world not suited to cope with us carbon based lifeforms. One of Torchwood's primary objectives is to hoard and claim all this alien tech in the hopes that we can use it to further our own development and learn how to cope with whatever's coming, but saying they're the best ones prepared to deal with all these coming "changes" in the twenty first century is a bit like saying a mouse with a pistol is more capable of taking on a cat than a mouse without one: sure the mouse may have hoarded the technology and based on studies into the species intelligence, it could maybe even eventually work out how to push it around on the ground or nudge the sticky out bit or something, but that doesn't mean it knows how to use it effectively. Torchwood are completely out of their depth, trying to deal with stuff that's WAY over their heads. How do you think you'd cope? I'd say that most of the cast did well just to survive for as long as they did.
* While it just bugs me in general that this show just loves to make a big deal about how awesome Jack is, there was one particular speech he gave to his team that came off to me as particularly hollow. Near the end of "Greeks Bearing Gifts" he makes a big deal his team and Mary about how he pays attention when his friends start acting weird and distracted. Three episodes earlier, Ianto was up to similar but far worse shenanigans than Tosh was and throughout the episode managed to act more awkward and suspicious than usual. But when he disappeared and suddenly there seemed to be intruders in Torchwood, it took Jack a little bit to come to the conclusion that his little pet might maybe be up to sketchy activities. Just admit it Jack, you were only paid attention because you knew she was trying to read your mind.
* Not really. At least till the episode of Greeks Bearing Gifts the series does its hardest to point out how awful a leader Jack. Lets see: he fails to notice Ianto is keeping his cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement or that the CCTV goes missing whenever he needs to sneak someone in (despite probably sleeping with him through this period), he has not kept his team from stealing alien tec for personal reasons (as demonstrated in ep 1), he runs the worst "secret" secret organisation in the world, he has lost touch with the real world and other people (Gwen joins this team for this very reason), the team gets on well without him inbetween season 1 and 2, and all the team are pissed at him for giving Jasmine over to the fairies/aliens. He is pretty awful.
* Well it's pretty strongly implied that no one pays that much attention to Ianto before "Cyberwoman", and it's also safe to assume that Ianto acted quiet and 'strange', always in the background, from the moment he was first hired. Plus, since Ianto was supposedly exchanging sexual favors with Jack by that point, Jack probably assumed he knew Ianto far better than he actually did and just let things slide. That, and, yeah, the characterizations in season 1 were inconsistent (to put it mildly).
* Maybe what Jack actually meant was "I pay attention when my team act weird... or at least I've started to do so since I discovered that one of them was keeping a cyberwoman in the basement."
* Well, I'd say that series three certainly subverted any perceptions we had of Jack as "awesome"... And I think it was probably intended to. Barrowman always said he wanted to play Jack as "a hero" but it's at the point now where they can't entirely logically keep doing that...
* Your milage may vary. I thought Jack was awesome in season three. I really loved his character development, more so in fact, than seasons one and two combined.
* According to Jack and the opening narration, Torchwood's mission is to "prepare humanity for the future" because the 21st century is when humanity makes "official" first contact. How can they possibly fulfill that mission if they spend their time collecting and hiding alien artifacts and covering up real instances of alien contact? In the Whoniverse, humanity has already had first contact, and it almost always is disastrous. This tells me that Torchwood is a complete and utter failure at its primary mission.
* Jack never said "official first contact," he said and I quote "the 21st century is when everything changes and you've gotta be ready" - several times, might I add. Everything changes could refer to some global catastrophe or the Minister of Magic charming 10 downing street to glow rainbow colors just as easily as it could refer to first contact. And in case that's not enough for you - in Aliens of London the Doctor seems to make a clear distinction between official first contact and the myriad of alien invasions that have happened to the Earth. Perhaps an invasion doesn't count as first contact and Torchwood has never been seen to deal with a benevolent alien or groups thereof anyway.
* Doesn't Jack at one point say, in response to someone asking him what that means that he honestly just thinks it sounds good?
* Okay so after "Reset"', Owen is dead. (I can't believe they found a way to make those glorious words annoy me.) And they have made a point of making it very, very clear that he no longer undergoes normal human functions: no eating, no sleeping, no healing, no sex, and... no breathing. But if he can't breathe, how the hell is he talking? Airflow was one of the two mandatory parts of producing sound last time I checked. It's the first and most basic part-- air passes over the vocal folds creating vibration, which is then modified by the vocal tract into recognizable intended sounds. No Breathing = No Talking. What really bugs me is that they could have avoided this problem fairly easily but they deliberately specified the parts that make it impossible to handwave.
* A Wizard Did It. To paraphrase a poster on The Doctor Who Forum, this is a Verse with a giant talking head and regeneration- and you're complaining about a guy who can't breath talking?
* But that's not a problem since those cases have either been set up as an alien species, the product of several million years of evolution, and/or both-- and the Fo B even has what appears to be a life support system. So accepting those is much easier because there's something there to suspend one's disbelief from. But Martha seemed quite sure that Owen was "100% Human", just a dead one, and this is simple well known physiology. Anyone who's ever tried to talk while holding their breath knows this one. I'm not quibbling with the whole 'corpse running on absorbed energy' part because it's part of the genre, but going to the trouble of illustrating how even basic peristalsis is no longer functioning (and ew by the way) completely contradicts the idea that the guy's vocal cords are still working. And if that energy is running a bunch of his other muscles-- which it obviously is because he can walk-- why isn't his diaphragm working? All they had to do was say that he can breathe but just doesn't need to, and it might have made something resembling sense.
* Maybe that's what is meant, and it was just poorly phrased. Maybe they meant "you cannot engage in aerobic respiration", rather than "breathe".
* A possible explanation is found here.
* If that explanation were accurate, no one would breathe, ever - it's true that CO2 is needed to trigger breathing, but there's more than enough in ambient air (which is what would putatively come out of Owen's lungs) to do that.
* Seriously, I don't see the problem either. It's like vampires in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and other shows... they don't need oxygen, they don't to breathe to survive, but they can still physically go through the motions of breathing in and out to get air past their vocal cords whenever they want to talk. Is that so hard to understand? The script writers simply were too much in love with the What Do You Mean Its Not Symbolic idea that Owen could not give the old man the kiss of life because he himself was dead. Cue tiny violins. Bleh.
* Yes, that is hard to understand, mostly because it's blatantly contradicted in "Prophecy Girl". Angel can't give Buffy CPR because he has no breath. (I guess it's not a "Bleh" moment when Buffy does it...) However, the rest of the series fits your explanation much better, so it's best to rationalize this and say Angel was just mistaken or unsure his breath would work.
* No it was plenty damn annoying when Buffy did it too.
* The Resurrection Gauntlet is clearly some kind of Reality Warper device that breaks all known laws of science. Your point is therefore invalid.
* At the end of the episode "Adam", the whole team has taken amnesia pills to forget the titular character, who can only exist if they remember him. Great plan, with one minor flaw - Rhys briefly met Adam earlier in the episode, and wasn't present when they took the amnesia pills, so what if he asks what happened to "that new guy"?
* Compared to having five people who remember knowing him for three years, one guy who saw him for five minutes and wasn't particularly paying attention sounds like pretty thin gruel, metaphorically speaking. If Adam could survive on casual acquaintances, he wouldn't have needed that masquerade at all - just take human shape and start meeting people. Better question: If the team had three years of Fake Memories implanted, how does wiping the last 48 hours fix that?
* The seance session removed the implanted memories. As for Rhys, the impression I got was that Adam was completely destroyed rather than reverted to spirit form, so there's nothing for him to come back from.
* I believe this is an instance of "I know that X was always the case today, but was it always the case yesterday?" For example, Toshiko could recall a year long relationship with Adam since two days ago, so regardless of how far back Toshiko believes she can remember, since those memories are actually only two days old, they'll be flushed out along with anything else that she's remembered from that time.
* How did Adam even get there? He was stuck in the void for ages and ages, then showed up at Torchwood. He only exists if someone remembers him. How did he start implanting the fake memories, if, before they were there, he didn't exist?
* It's implied that Adam escaped from some alien artifact (the unidentified one that they're trying to label early on and that Jack pours sand out of at the end) that came through the rift.
* Does Torchwood have a janitor? Certainly a huge, century-old subterranean compound full of bizarre gadgets and staffed by a handful of thirtysomethings doesn't stay immaculate on its own. So is there some night shift that comes in to wipe the fingerprints off the big glass tubes and pick up the pizza crusts from under Owen's desk, or do they just make Ianto clean up after everyone?
* Pretty much, yeah. There's a scene in a series one episode where he lets them know he isn't at all happy with it.
* What's with the scene between Gwen and Jack at the start of the second series? It's played like Jack and Gwen are in love, with Jack being slightly horrified to learn that Gwen is getting married to Rhys. Last I checked, the Gwen/Jack 'ship ran aground after the "learning to fire guns" bit in episode two or three, and Gwen went off with Owen while Jack started shagging Ianto.
* More to the point, why does he say all that in front of Ianto?
* I think Jack has a selective vocal filter that most of the time fails in those situations, though there is a scene where Jack comes back to life and says very pointedly at Ianto "I came back for you" then seems to realise he's in front of the team and adds hurriedly "All of you".
* Always struck me as either: a) the writers couldn't make up their goddamn minds or let go of their beloved male lead/female lead ship, or for a more in-verse explanation b) Jack had feelings for both Gwen and Ianto, was no stranger to polyamory, and hadn't quite come to terms with letting Gwen go and settling down with a guy he was just starting to "officially" date.
* Everyone knows that Rhys can never really make her totally happy, Owen being the first to point it out. Jack thinks she deserves better, not to mention he was probably a bit hacked off at the fact that she cheated on Rhys with someone other than him.
* The official press release talking about the main characters for season 4 mentions Jack has an "unstated love for Gwen".
* That doesn't tell us anything neccesarily romantic, Jack has an unstated love for a lot of people (he never said he was in love with Ianto in those exact words either, but just watch C o E Day 4 ad tell me soemthing wasn't up. Still, in the period he comes from the lines between platonic relationships, brotherly/sisterly ones and fuck buddies are no doubt a hell of a lot more blurred. What upset him about Gwen getting married was the fact that her 21st century mores would therefore limit any possibilities of their being close in that way -"You twenty first century people and your quaint little categories", remember? Jack doesn't see why the hell someone being married means they can't sleep with someone else. It'd be nice to get a decent explanation of Jack's sexual morality besides just "will shag anything", really...
* How does one get a job as cushy as the receptionist for a secret organization? Actually, no, I think I know this one.
* As far as I can tell, you act as incompetent as humanly possible while crying a lot.
* I would have gone with looking fabulous in a three piece suit and being conveniently nearby when Owen needs a verbal smackdown or a gunshot wound. And would have deserved a promotion if his aim was better.
* According to Series Two: persistence, and helping capture a pteranadon (and landing on top of Jack while doing so, hem, hem).
* And a nod to my suit theory.
* I'd hire anyone that can pull off a three piece suit that consists of a PINK shirt. Besides, Ianto has more than proven he's a competent team member now.
* Tasering the bad guys in the forehead, people, I rest my case. Just because a character doesn't start the journey being mister Badass Determinator doesn't make them completely incompetent.
* Gareth David-Lloyd seems to believe that Ianto traded sexual favors to Jack to get and keep his job. It's not that hard to believe.
* And Ianto must be really good in the sack if Jack forgave him for keeping his Cyberwoman girlfriend in the basement. Lets face it, this is the only way him keeping his job makes sense.
* It could have been that he was impressed by Ianto - you have to admit, a cyberwoman in the basement is not an easy thing to hide - and saw that he had the potential to do the morally grey stuff that the rest of the team do if he cared about it enough.
* Of course he's impressed! Ianto conned the Con Man! With all the stuff Jack got up to in his past, he had to admit that was good.
* Also he'd be hypocritical to fire, kill, or retcon Ianto for committing an Ends Justifies The Means act for the sake of love when he was previously a conman in it for the cash and not caring who got hurt along the way. Besides, you know how hard it is to find a good lackey in an organization like Torchwood? I don't think anyone ever joined up for the sheer thrill of serving Yvonne Hartman coffee. Although, to be fair, Jack mended his conman ways (for the most part). Ianto doesn't really show much remorse about his cyberwoman girlfriend getting loose.
* In "Greeks Bearing Gifts", why didn't Toshiko hear that Mary/Philoctites had to kill to survive? Especially since she did hear that she wanted to kiss her.
* It's a while since I saw it, but I got the impression Mary could control whether or not Tosh could hear her.
* Its comfirmed by Tosh that Mary manipulated nearly everything that happened, with only one thing she said being truthful. As Tosh points outs when Mary reveals she's an alien that Mary can control what Tosh knows and doesn't. Also look at Jack, who also had barriers to his mind.
* Whose idea was it to put four people and a secretary in charge of handling all alien phenomena occuring across all of Wales? What happens if there are simultaneous crises in Cardiff, Newport, and Swansea?
* Presumably normal hiring procedures were suspended when the human resources department in London were turned into Cybermen and shot by Daleks.
* Wouldn't it have been great if they showed an HR division run entirely by slightly benevolent Cybermen?
* Wouldn't it be even better if the HR division was run entirely by slightly malicious Cybermen?
* But isn't Torchwood supposed to be fiction?
* That's where "slightly" comes into it.
* Is anyone else getting flashes of Cyber-Catbert?
* Cardiff is built on The Rift, therefore it's a whole lot more likely that crises will happen in Cardiff than anywhere else in Wales. Anyway, Cardiff is the place where all the stuff falls through the gap, and there's four people and a secretary employed to catch it.
* Ianto's family lives in Newport, we see in Children Of Earth. It's not that far at all. Also "Countrycide" is set in the Valleys, which is a few hours drive, but they all seem happy to camp. I think there's just not that much extra terrestrial activity in the UK on the whole.
* What, exactly, is Torchwood's mission at this point? Surely an American isn't trying to rebuild the British Empire.
* Jack seems to be liberalising it into a more 'defenders of humanity' thing rather than the more nationalistic 'renew the Empire!' tendencies of Yvonne. Although, it's worth pointing out that Jack technically isn't American.
* The first episode of the new series kinda indicates that stuff would come through the rift regardless of what was going on and better we have SOMEONE there than no one. Plus Captain Jack is one of the very few people on earth who knows enough to lead them.
* There's also a very simple reason as to why Jack is in Cardiff. He knows the rift is there, and he knows the Doctor refuels on the rift. This is the only place where he can stay, where he knows the Doctor will be, and not run into his past self at the same time.
* It's been established that Jack took over the Welsh branch when the previous boss somehow went a bit wrong in the head, murdered all the mortal members and left Jack in charge. Jack mentioned in Doctor Who's 2007 double episode finale that he rebuilt it in memory of The Doctor (the revived series has shown that "defending the Earth"/humanity is one of The Doctor's main goals). Given that the London branch (presumably also the head office) was destroyed, Jack likely has totally free reign over what he does. He probably kept the Torchwood name because it would be recognised by organisations like UNIT as well as the police, government etc and allow him to keep those contacts, but it is basically a new organisation built around Jack using the name and base of the old one.
* Also, Jack definitely isn't American. He's from another planet, born sometime in the 51st century. For most of history since he got trapped in the past, he's posed as an American (probably to explain away his lack of local knowledge) and even his name was taken from an American. Although he isn't faking the accent, as his brother has the same one despite having a wildly different life.
* At the end of the final episode, why, exactly, does Jack merely 'forgive' his colleagues? I mean, okay, forgiveness and The Power of Friendship and all, but come on; these people were directly responsible for the releasing of a demon from outside of time that promptly went on a feeding spree around Cardiff, and one of them shot Jack in the head in order to do so. Granted, Jack got better and they probably didn't expect that particular outcome, but given that this is an organisation that is set up to protect the world (or at least the United Kingdom) and that the aforementioned activities might be considered something of a cock-up in that regard, forgiveness or not, you'd expect that in any half-serious organisation of this nature there'd be some reprimands going around at least.
* Given that Jack was rather quickly distracted by the sound of a TARDIS materializing above him, it's entirely possible that he was going to get around to said reprimands, but got waylaid going to the year 100 trillion...
* And when he came back, he'd just spent a year being tortured by the Master while the Earth got destroyed, and so rather understandably had a new perspective on things.
* Not to mention, if he fired everyone he'd have to retcon them all himself and then find and train a new team who would presumably all be as useless as Gwen was at first. And besides, now that he has on his team the biggest "I told you so" ever, he pretty much knows that they're never going to mutiny again.
* Why did Jack not fire Ianto at the end of "Cyberwoman", given that he'd lied to the team, set up dangerous equipment in the Torchwood labs, got two innocent people killed and threatened to watch while Jack died horribly? Come to think of it, how did Ianto transport the Cyberbed thing from London Docklands to the Torchwood Hub in Cardiff and install it into thick concrete? And why not take out those horrible buzzsaws? And and and and and...
* According to GDL, Ianto was probably already exchanging sexual favors with Jack by that time, and seeing how their relationship progresses, it's a safe bet he had some sort of feelings for Ianto by then. Besides, compared to Jack's screw-ups, Ianto's really weren't all that bad. At least his motives were 'love' and not, say, money.
* For that matter, why does Jack keep any of these people around when nearly every single crisis they face is caused by one of the team members fraternizing with the enemy, misappropriating alien technology for their personal use, or otherwise acting like horny teenagers instead of trained professionals?
* Because he'd be a hypocrite not to. Remember the scene in "Day One", in which a possessed woman grabs a severed hand in a fishtank: "no, no, put the hand down - I'll do anything!" Great negotiating tactics, Patrick Swayze.
* Well SOMEONE is going to get enticed and corrupted by it. Might as well be 1 guys he can watch and 2 guys who know how to fix the pig's breakfast they make of reality.
* So why keep Jack around? Torchwood may be outside the government and beyond the police, but surely there's somebody - the Prime Minister, the Home Office, some top-secret Parliamentary committee, Lord Privy Seal, the Minister of Magic - that has some form of oversight over Torchwood and is aware of all the SNAF Us that the team has been responsible for.
* Maybe cause he can't die, and just knows where all the stuff is?
* With the stuff they've been given, they have blackmail pictures on all their bosses. Even the ones who aren't doing anything wrong.
* Well Jack is one of the few people who know enough to run things (particularly since the Slitheen killed off UNIT's top boffins) and BTW no, there is no one, not even the minister for magic, the head of the Illuminati or Father Freaking Christmas who has control over them except perhaps Her Majesty Elizabeth II. The Prime Minister is not even supposed to know they exist! Or to put it another way they are the layer of the system that exclusively does the watching.
* Isn't Jack on the phone with the Prime Minister discussing Torchwood stuff in "Greeks Bearing Gifts"?
* The beginning bit sounds all dramatical and like they're a super secret shiny organisation of awesome. Plus, it could have been the Prime Minister of Whereverelsehasaprimeminister, or Harriet Sparks.
* What, exactly, is there to do with a stopwatch?
* Use it as a timer when playing naked hide-and-seek.
* This male editor assumes some kind of sexual endurance game.
* And this one is of the opinion that the incomprehensibility of Jack & Ianto's sexgames is entirely intentional. I mean, when you've been around as long as Jack has, you're probably bored even with conventional kink...
* I just thought it was indicative of how juvenile Torchwood was. I mean, of all the millions and millions of things you could say that could sound dirty (even very unintentionally), they still managed to come up with something that defied kinkiness. I'm betting even rule 34 doesn't apply, except tangentially.
* You've apparently never encountered the vast swathes of Jack/Ianto slash involving the stopwatch.
* Well, if you can fit an entire hand up there (and in some cases, ), a stopwatch isn't too far a stretch.
* Two words: Noodle Implements.
* I've always assumed that there's absolutely nothing to do with it. It's just Ianto's way of being careful. It can be made to sound dirty, yet at the same time is completely innocent in case Jack would not be interested.
* Exit Wounds: How the hell did Jack shake off nineteen hundred years of torture and go back to the encounter with John and Grey without losing a step? Him being alive is fine, yay immortality and all, but there would have been major, immense, huge, incredible psychological damage.
* I've seen it fanwanked at least three kind of plausible ways (if you tilt your head to the left and squint a little): (1) The the ring John dropped in emitted some sort of stasis field to keep Jack in a kind of suspended animation, (2) That he was just coherent enough to tell Torchwood1900 to pop him in the freezer and then did most of his mental recuperating in there-- he did have 101 years between being dug up and being a contributing member of a team again, and (3) That since Jack was made immortal by an intelligent force he only "died" underground once or twice before being continuously dead until he was in a survivable environment again. (3) is my favorite because at least a shred of in-show logic to hang it on-- the argument that when Jack went into that toxic room back in "Utopia" that killed everyone within seconds he didn't keep dying and popping back up again, he just wasn't affected, implying that there is some sort of rhyme and reason to his deaths, and "End of Days" showing that he can stay dead for extended periods of time when exposed to an extreme death. I'm still 99% certain that this is a case of Did Not Do the Research, though.
* My favorite explanation for this comes from an essentially throw away line in a fanfic: Jack remains sane no matter what happens to him, because and only because he WAS sane at the moment he was brought back to life. Which makes a lot of sense: it's shown he can recover from any physical injury, and all mental trauma does have a physical basis (neurons and all). Plus, since he can come back to life as himself even when his brain is damaged (or destroyed), clearly his 'gift' in some way 'knows' his mind enough to restore it. Well, every time it restores it, any insanity etc is fixed. This means that he could indeed have died over and over as Gray intended, and come out of it basically undamaged. Same applies for the Year That Never Was.
* Actually, if you payed attention: It was significantly less time, because not all that long after he was buried, the early Torchwood found him, unburied him, and probably helped him get over being buried alive. Not to mention, Captain Jack Harkness felt that he needed to atone for losing his brother.
* Actually, 1,900 years is all that long.
* See Out of Time, Out of Mind.
* Jack's pretty broken in the head anyway. Maybe the psychological damage took one look at all the other screwed-up crud in there and went "sod this, I'm leaving".
* "Exit Wounds" and Season Three: Now that Tosh and Owen (Probably the only two members of the Torchwood team that spend the majority of each episode actually working as opposed to creating odd sexual tension or screaming about how existence as a whole is unfair) are dead, who exactly is going to do any work at Torchwood? You could argue that Ianto has taken a more active role this season, but it's been primarily as a researcher and with the only other two team mates being Gwen and Jack I can't help but feel a scarily large opening for the show to descend into a huge, poorly established love triangle. It seems that if replacements aren't put in place immediately... Oh bother, seems we're all doomed.
* This editor could see Rhys taking a more proactive stance. Likewise for Gwen's other buddy...ohcrapwhat'shisname...the Jerkass cop. Of course, that probably raises more Love Dodecahedron angles than anyone's comfortable with.]]
* Gwen's cop friend's name is Andy.
* Rumour has it Burn Gorman has signed on for Season Three, although it's unknown how he will reappear, or if he'll still be a main character. For all I know it could be a flashback episode.
* There's also the possibility of offering Martha a permanent gig now that they need a full-time medic.
* This troper's friend immediately leapt to the conclusion that the finale left a Martha-shaped hole in the cast.
* They could always invite Mickey to join, now that he's back in the "real" dimension.
* This would prove to be the final indignity for Torchwood, where Mickey the Tin Dog with no formal training in vastly more competent and effective than any of Torchwoods "experts"
* To be fair to Mickey, he did spend 2 years fighting a war against the Cybermen. I wouldn't say that he is completely clueless.
* Actually, given the end of the Series 4 Doctor Who finale, it seemed pretty heavily implied that both Mickey and Martha would be replacing Tosh and Owen. On the bright side, we won't have to deal with Mickey being a Jerkass like Owen was... right?
* How is Mickey a Jerkass? He's on of the most put-upon boyfriends in television history.
* I've assumed that whenever a Torchwood members dies a new one is brought in, like Gwen for Suzie the team showed at the beginning of serious one for the team that was killed by Alex (i think that ws his name).
* there's a medical post and a tecnological post open, Martha has a medical degree and we know how good Mickey is with computers, hello?
* This troper heard that Martha and Mickey were supposed to appear in Season Three but didn't due to conflicting schedules.
* "Reset" - One finds it impossible to believe that Torchwood Cardiff cannot pick up on hints about Doctors. Ianto Jones was part of Torchwood London, and it's pretty darn implausible that he doesn't put the clues together in his mind.
* "Reset" again: Jack is apparently horrified at the idea that aliens (none of whom are established as being sentient) are being farmed for, potentially, lifesaving medicine and other very useful things. It's just WRONG! But, he's quite happy to use a Weevil as a torture threat to an already-injured man in order to get a little bit of information out of him. So what's the deal, Jack - using the aliens you keep shackled up in your basement as torture implements is good, but using the ones someone else has shackled in their basement - possibly curing AIDS, if they can iron out the whole violent death bug - that's wrong?
* So Jack has a serious case of Protagonist Centred Morality. No-one ever said he was perfect.
* Also, just the basic idea that human biology - any biology- can be "reset to factory settings" by anything. Almost any other bit of science babble would have worked better than that.
* I haven't seen all the episodes, so maybe I missed this explanation, but do we know how Torchwood is funded? And/or who they report too? For a supposedly government organisation, they're given a lot of leeway to act how they please.
* Torchwoods 2-4 presumably reported to Torchwood 1 before the later was destroyed.
* The charter announced in Tooth and Claw implies the funding would come directly from the Crown.
* Why do the Weevils wear clothing? They're seen in boiler suits, which would make sense for Janet in the cell, since she's been captured and could have been issued a uniform (with "Torchwood" on it, no less). That doesn't explain why the sewer-dwelling Weevils would be clothed, and clothed in something that doesn't appear to have had contact with, well, sewage. Do they have a Weevil Ianto to do the dry-cleaning down there?
* WMG on the part of my roommate and I is that Weevils are some sort of labor force on their homeworld and that's their standard uniform.
* At the end of Adrift, why isn't Jonah Bevan's mother retconned? She knows about Torchwood, Flat Holm Island and her son being brought back to this dimension and spending 20 hours a day screaming.
* I think the more cynical members of Torchwood were waiting for her to kill herself.
* Gwen told Jonah's mother she was allowed to visit the island whenever she wanted, which is why she wasn't retconned. She just chooses not to.
* This troper has always expected that Ianto was sent round to do it once Gwen had moved on.
* Flatholm is one word and it's existence isn't secret, it's a real place. You can go there for school trips and yoga retreats.
* Perhaps Jack wants Gwen to feel bad about it so she knows not to try something like it again. If he simply retconned her then Gwen wouldn't feel so bad, but having to live with the fact that she effectively destroyed an innocent woman's life is a huge incentive for Gwen to not attempt to 'help' anyone else.
* In Exit Wounds, why does Gray call Jack by that name? Since Captain Jack Harkness is just an alias stolen from a dead soldier, wouldn't Gray, his little brother, call him by his real name, whatever that may be?
* It's been suggested on TARDIS Wikia that Captain John told Gray Jack's new name. Alternatively Jack was known just as Jack on the Boeshane Peninsula, not Jack Harkness.
* Makes sense. When you go into Wit Sec they tell you to pick the same first name and initials. Maybe the Time Agency adopts a similar practice.
* Why does Jack recruit so many troubled people, and why do they not seek any psychiatric help for their past trauma or for the trauma they experience on the job? I actually thought that "They Keep Killing Suzie" was adressing the problem, with Suzie; a lonely and depressed woman with a troubled past, a lot of stress at work, an unhealthy vice, and almost nobody to confide in- just like the rest of the team, except she cracks, kills three people and then blows her brains out. I thought they were still addressing the problem in "Combat," when Gwen starts using Suzie's retcon tactics and when Owen starts snarling like a Weevil, but nothing was made of either point in the next season. Where have all the psychiatrists gone?
* The question is, from who do you seek psychiatric help? Owen's girlfriend was killed by an alien parasite and Ianto's girlfriend was turned into a Cyberwoman at the Battle of Canary Wharf (an event later passed off as "toxins in the water"). I doubt a psychiatrist would take them seriously. As for why Jack hires troubled people, I got nothing.
* Yes, and according to background materials, Ianto did discuss his problems with a psychiatrist, and treated the partial cyberconversion as "death." But seriously, when they're hired by Torchwood- specifically when Jack can be bothered to lash out a bit-, psychiatrists can be remarkably receptive- especially since there's been at least one alien invasion that can't be explained away.
* As for hiring troubled people, This Troper suspects Jack was looking for people who had the skills he needed and had also fallen off the radar one way or another so there would be no relatives to ask what happened. These people only come around every so often so he has to snap them up pretty quickly. It just so happens to be that they have become troubled as a result of falling into these circumstances. Tosh had been squirrled away by UNIT, so she could be considered as a missing person. Jack saw that she could be trusted and let off the leash a bit regarding family contact which is the only explanation I can think of for her going to her Grandpa's birthday party that doesn't result in Retcon. Owen had just suffered a bereavement,Adam suggests he's estranged from his family and his colleagues know he's having a breakdown so no one would notice till it was too late that he was gone. Ianto and Gwen were hired down to a combination of convienience plus craving. As for Suzie, methinks her dad probably abused in some way regarding her being troubled, but otherwise, I have no idea.
* In the very first episode, Owen uses some sort of spray to drug a woman, and her boyfriend, into having sex with him. In 'Adam', Adam uses his fake memories of a relationship with Toshiko to have sex with her. 'It's not rape if you make her think she likes it' is not a moral I particularly care to see broadcast.
* This Troper likes to think that Owen's undeath was due to bad karma from the above.
* Unless the spray was a placebo and they both fancied him anyway? Yes, I'm kidding. But seriously, I actually liked Owen as a character, but then I do allow a lot of pilot-episode-leeway.
* Bear in mind that Adam is a villain and Owen is a Jerkass. So... you'd prefer to see "bad people" who only do nice things?
* In the Season 2 finale, after Captain Jack defeated Gray, he took his own sweet time getting back upstairs. At first this made some sort of sense, since he had been in cryogenic storage and didn't know that the whole team had been trapped in the facility. But when he let them out of the cells, shouldn't they immediately have wondered what happened to Toshiko? The team knew that she was alone upstairs, and that there was a homicidal maniac on the loose. But instead of putting 2 and 2 together, they stood around and had a big reunion scene while Toshiko bled to death next to their medical supplies. Although to be fair, it probably wouldn't have made a difference, due to Traveling At the Speed of Plot.
* Why does Torchwood try to maintain the Masquerade at all? The world is quite aware of aliens, and most people in Cardiff know what Torchwood is. So why bother with the secrecy? For instance, at the beginning of Children of Earth, Jack and Ianto pose as a dead guy's neighbors. Why couldn't they just say "We're Torchwood, and we think this guy had an alien parasite inside of him, so give us a few minutes to do our job?" and get to work?
* we know terrorists exist does that mean every body would be OK with MI 6 blatantly riding roughshod over people's lives and rights to stop it?
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* Cos while everyone knows about Torchwood, nobody likes them.
* "Small Worlds." Why did everyone treat Jack like shit at the end when the little girl was clearly made of 100% pure bitch evil?
* Moreover, what exactly is the problem? The little girl wants to be a fairy, and the fairies don't seem to cause much trouble when you leave them alone. It seems a little parochial to say "well, your mum wants you to be a typist."
* By "wants to be a fairy", you mean "was Mind Raped into believing it would be a good thing to become an empathy-lacking Eldritch Abomination who kills anyone who so much as looks at their next designated Mind Rape victim". Sure, there's nothing wrong with that at all. Heck, let us throw these wonderful fairies a party. I'll go buy them a medal.
* Since when was it even implied that Jasmine was a Mind Rape victim? The girl certainly didn't need it to motivate her into joining them; after all, she had to contend with an emotionally distant stepfather, bullying at school, and an attempted rape- bit more than just "looking" there. And another point to add to the first: why does everyone treat Jack like shit at the end after both Jasmine and the fairies made it clear that if he didn't let her join them, they'd destroy human civilisation? I mean, what the fuck was he supposed to do? Did they honestly think that he'd whip out his pistol and try to duel the omnipotent weather-controlling immortals for the girl's soul or something?
* They probably had been expecting him to Take a Third Option. It's what The Hero is supposed to do, find some way to save the world and the little person. And that he didn't was a hard lesson in Grey and Grey Morality and Good Is Not Nice.
* Whether or not she's being mind raped, and whether or not she's "100% pure bitch evil", she's still a child. There's no way that anyone would think that she's competent enough to make the decision to abandon her family and her humanity to go off and become part of a collective of eldritch abominations. Standing by and just casually letting hostile aliens take a child is not cool, even if the kid wants to go.
* True, but when the collective of eldritch abomination started threatening to kill even more people, Jack honestly didn't have much choice in the matter. And more to the point, he knew that the fairies weren't bluffing: he knew how overprotective they could be around their future members, having seen a whole train-car full of soldiers die because a few of them accidentally killed a child that the fairies had chosen. So, how exactly would he be expected to fight off said eldritch abominations? How could he possibly negotiate with them when they have a lot more to bargain with- ie the lives of everyone on the planet! So, how exactly would this situation be resolved without handing over the child?
* Why is Jack wearing braces and a belt? Okay, it looks rather cool, but isn't it kind of redundant?
* Because Jack needs that much help keeping his pants on.
* Why did Martha want to autopsy Owen in Dead Man Walking? They all saw how he died, they know who did it, and they know the killer is dead. What's left to learn from an autopsy?
* I think it's Torchwood standard procedure. Probably some previous member turned out to have an alien living in his corpse or something, so they've decided to play it safe ever since.
* Question: What exactly is Gwen's job/what she was hired for? And why did Jack hire her in the first place? Jack is the leader, Owen is the medic, Suzie was the analyser/weapon's expert, Tosh is the computor geek, and Ianto keeps the place clean, makes coffee and interacts with the outside world. Gwen doesn't have the qualifications to replace Suzie, didn't know how to use a gun, and she knew nothing about aliens. Seriously What.
* She's the investigator. Yes, she's pretty goofy as an investigator, but she's still miles better than anyone else at questioning witnesses and chasing down a trail. She also has personal connections in Cardiff P.D. that are sometimes more helpful than Jack's mega-connections. After a while, she's also the team conscience.
* For the first episode, why was Torchwood even investigating the murders? At that time they shouldn't have anything suggesting it was abnormal and if they were searching for the Weevils they should probably know that the murders don't seem much like what a Weevil would do.
* They were just looking for excuses to use the glove and the more traumatic the death the better the glove works.
* Gwen was a cop. A cop who got to work on murder investigations and bar brawls. How come she didn't know how to use a gun??
* Note that most UK cops don't carry a gun. Most officers, in fact, serve their entire career without ever taking the training to use one. The only UK Police Officers who routinely carry guns on duty are part of anti-terrorist units, an Armed Response Unit, or are assigned to Royal Protection duties.
* Ianto as an office assistant. Sure, he hasn't specialized like the others, but from day one he's not only had more experience than anyone else, he's also proven that he knows how to use it. For all intents and purposes he has the skills to be The Lancer or The Dragon to Jack, and they keep him as a cleaning lady? If you add this to Jack stringing him along, you get the impression that he's going out if his way to be a bastard to Ianto for some reason.
* How does one get the impression Jack's stringing Ianto along? Ianto'a a cabale adult. If he wants a promotion, all he has to do is talk to Jack about it over cofee and/or sex. And how is Jack going out of his way to be a bastard to Ianto. Yes, Jack's terrible about talking about his feelings, but Ianto knows that. It's not like Ianto's been completely honest, either.
* What. The. Fuck. Happened to Bilis? You have a character capable of teleporting around and time travelling at will which automatically makes him one of the most interesting characters in Doctor Who universe and second only to Jack in his series, yet as soon as he releases his God/Demon/Abomination he's never heard from again. Seems like a waste of a good plot.
* I always assumed that Bilis's powers got wiped out after Jack punched out Cthulu. I agree that a depowered Bilis would be a great character in some Whoniverse episode, or a powered up Bilis from before he met Torchwood the last time would also be a great plotline. Maybe next year . . .
* In the episode Cyberwoman, why did no-one just shoot the cyberwoman in her (exposed) face?
* In "To the Last Man", Tommy doesn't want to go back to his own time because he'll be sent back to the trenches and killed. But if modern Torchwood can order around the entire world, couldn't 1918 Torchwood in that time at least get the saviour of the future an honourable discharge?
* Order around the entire world? In what way?
* Torchwood was more evil back then. It probably wouldn't want to risk letting him live, knowing what he knew.
* In "They Keep Killing Suzie" I can believe that Suzie set off a plan to get the others to revive her in the event of her death. The problem is, though, that aside from Suzie none of the others can really work the glove so her cunning plan depends on them hiring someone new who can. And then, of course, there's the fact that the experienced Suzie at her best could only manage two minutes so what made her believe that she'd be brought back for longer even if she was deliberately "panicking" and not helping? Even if she knew that the glove could trade lives, which she seemed to, it seemes like it only happened because Gwen was hellbent on getting answers out of her and anyone new besides Gwen wouldn't have. In fact, the rest of the team didn't seem inclined to. So how could Suzie possibly have predicted that she'd manage to be brought back to life for longer than two minutes and that the bleeding-heart in question would smuggle her out of the Hub? It all seems highly unlikely. And then, of course, there's the question of why she'd be so eager to set up ways to bring herself back when her suicide was highly unnecessary in the first place.
* My problem with this episode is the glove itself. Suzie even admitted the glove was keeping her alive, so why didn't she or Gwen grab it instead of leaving it at the Hub? I'm amazed even Suzie's spinoff book (Long Time Dead) failed to recognize this. (The book suggested that had she not visited her father in hospital, she would've killed Gwen. IMHO killing her father, albeit not the most moral thing anyone can do, was the most noble thing Suzie did while on the show.)
* Why did the creators of Torchwood feel the need to kill off Owen and Tosh, two of the most emotionally dynamic members of the cast? Didn't they know the fan-backlash that would generate? I like to think it was the decision of the actors, but it just seemed really sudden and unnecessary, especially in Owen's case. I mean, the guy had to go through so much shit the entire second season, and never even got that date with Tosh to make up for it. It's just such a Kick the Dog moment, and a real slap in the face to fans of the series, IMHO.
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