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| - Now that there's been a lot of death knight info pushed out, we need to come to a consensus on capitalization. Blizz has been writing it in lower case, which works with the Manual of Style we already have for the other classes. But what about articles like Starting a Death knight (vs Starting a Mage)? Should they be Starting a death knight (and Starting a mage)? {{classnav}} and {{classfooter}} need to be updated one way or the other. --k_d3 16:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC) I say keep things lower case. We do that for other articles, this shouldn't be an exception. Class titles are not proper nouns, and shouldn't be treated as such.Baggins (talk) 02:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC) I agree with Baggins. --Image:Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:49 PM PST 11 May 2008 So, is this a discussion to decaps all classes as well, similar to what we've done with races? Having a single simple rule would probably be useful. Note we will have to be more vigilant about whether articles refer to an RPG concept or the game mechanics. 07:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC) No suprise i hate this. Even more so that i feel Baggins is making a seperation between lore and game terms where they don't exist. It's simply inconsistancy and incorrect grammar in Blizzard products. All terminology in fiction are proper nouns, including wow classes. --
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* User:Zealvurte 12:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC) In the real world, you do not have Accountants and Bakers, you have accountants and bakers. Why should a fantasy universe be any different? Stuff is capitalised in-game for mechanics reasons, but even Blizzard has moved a long way away from using capitals everywhere, as currently evidenced by referral to "death knights". Baggins makes no false distinctions - classes in WoW do not always correspond to the RPG types, or are a specific subtype of the general RPG type - thus why we have to be careful about what we refer to. 13:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC) I'm not going over the argument again as i did with you specifically. You know i proved the captilisation usage in the real world, as well as how and why it them applies to fantasy. As to distinctions, i meant in using capitalisation to seperate the two, i ofc know for example there are 3 different usages of Death Knight, irregardless of capitalisation. Next i'll see the various Azeroths with different cases. ¬_¬ --
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* User:Zealvurte 13:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC) We're talking about making classes all lower-case. The current situation (capitalisation differences) is what you appear to be advising against. 18:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Since the macro navigation template uses lower caps for classes (mages, druids etc) I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to the class navigation template.-- 17:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC) Guess this means that the categories should be renamed as well (eventually) -- The [Category: Abilities], [Category: Spells], etc. Since now it's only going to be confusing since 'Death knight Abilities' is odd to have and 'Death knight abilities' wouldn't match the others. 02:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Those categories are incorrect according to the MOS anyway. It should always be [Category: abilities], with the second word lower case. -- 02:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC) They are also named incorrectly according to WW:CAT#Category_naming. --Image:Gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:49 PM PST 14 May 2008 Zeal, I'm completely confused on what you were argueing about... I didn't move "death knight" to lower case because of the RPG, I moved it because the lore background article on the WOTLK website had it lower case (except in the articles title). In uses in sentences it was always lower case... To make matters worse, people were going about capitalizing every instance of the term despite the word being uncapped in the original copy of the source...Baggins (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC) In another discussion that overlapped this, i saw you trying to create a distinction between a death knight and Death Knight and suggesting it was the same for many things. That's where i disagreed with you, and i brought it up here, but apparently i only confused the matter, as it seems this one is a back track on that idea. My stance on proper-nouns and fiction is know, so not going into that. -- 21:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC) It seems you might have something from a couple of years ago confused with things currently... However I can state that you are wrong on "death knight", as you said "All terminology in fiction are proper nouns, including wow classes". Actually no this is not true. In most sources death knight is not used as a capitalized proper noun and is always written lower case. This is true of Warcraft III manual, the RPG, and the official site. The only exceptions that exist where if a specific organization was being named, an article title, or as a character title, IIRC. This is an example off the top of my head, I apoligize in advance if I misquoted it; "Arthas, Death Knight of the Scourge". The only source I can think of that capitalized death knight in all uses was the Warcraft II manual, but that source capitalized everything including race names, and unit names, building names ("Farms", "Foundry", "Catapult", :p).Baggins (talk) 21:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC) It was a recent discussion, formerly on the same page as this one... WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump/Archive25#Death_Knights I think i did say i wasn't going to go into that... ¬_¬ The last thing i need to hear is an example of how Blizzard do it, you may as well have told me that scrolls of lore write it that way. Just leave it. -- 21:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC) Well I don't know what discussion your talking about, if you can find the history link for it, so I can see it for myself? I've had alot of things on my mind, and busy life outside of Warcraft over the last 8 months. Well, I'm still incredibly confused on why you were arguing with me above, if you don't want to go into it a reason... and want to "just leave it" alone. I guess I'll just have to stay confused...Baggins (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC) I linked the discussion already. :/ That was the part i contested in relation to this. I was asking that you leave the latter argument alone, as it's dead and burried and wasn't aimed towards you or anyone else, i shouldn't have even bothered to mention it again. -- 23:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC) Just my two cents, I would not capitalize a profession (as it relates to the real world, a job). Seeing as how my character is a rogue, I would refer to him as Redcoat the rogue rather than Redcoat the Rogue. I suppose that when one is speaking of a given class, it should be lowercase. However, if it is given as part of a name (or title) e.g. Redcoat, Hand of Adal, then one would type in uppercase (substituting Hand of Adal for ones class). To put it simply, Dan is a lieutenant, lowercase. Lieutenant Dan however would be in uppercase. I hope I have not confused too much.--Thereij (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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