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| - Before Making A build Similar to Glaiveway Post Build Suggestions on there discussion page. This Does Look Great Just 1 thing Why bother take imbagon if Nearly the entire party (except sos) Can take Mantra of frost I know Armor reductions but nearly 50% of the dmg is gone now....--Jpuzimaki13 01:36, July 19, 2010 (UTC) I did post some suggestion, never got a response. Instead, they posted 10 nearly useless build for Alt classes. Problem with no imba is that he does most of the dmg reduction. 35% from TNTF and i havent done the calc, but 60+100 armor is like 60-70% reduction. ~70-80%. take another 45-50% off that = 85-90% reduction. union adds a bit more but not much. also, no mantra on ST would mean 1-hit death. especially when enraged. would have to be a R/Me. but still.. 85%+ reduction beats the 45%+ you get from mantra alone. Gesun Dheit 02:18, July 19, 2010 (UTC) Another way to think about it is do you want to take 10% dmg from spikes or 50%? 50% = 5 times as much. thats alot if you think about it that way. Gesun Dheit 04:46, July 19, 2010 (UTC) "+100 armor will reduce damage taken by 82.3%." Read the wiki. Its going to vary a little bit if you're dealing with higher AL targets than it was calculated for initially, but the percent will only go down from there. darkoak 14:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC) yea. i used to generalize it by saying 60+60 armor will reduce by 50% so i ballparked it, but the formula is actually a bit dif. by my calc would have been 62.5%. but i also use armor mods so itll reduce it a bit. using the wiki figure of 82%, another ~50 from mantra = 91%, another 35% from tntf = 94%, and union 15 damage, it reduces it to almost nothing. 95%-100% reduction anyways. you know, sometimes i dont really care for exact figure. 5% difference to me isnt much, and an approxiamtion is good enough. hehe Gesun Dheit 02:22, July 20, 2010 (UTC) You could leave out TNTF on the paragon as it makes a very small difference, only a few percentages, and isn't even maintainable. You could take Brace Yourself!: anti-knockdown protection and armor-ignoring damage on frontliners or Spear of Fury for more adrenaline buffing. Personally I always take Stand Your Ground! for an maintainable extra +24 armor on the paragon. When using Centurions, a +10 vs demons/cold shield, a +7 vs elemental damage spear (or +5 vs all) and cons (+10), the paragon will have 80+10+16+10+7+24+10=157 armor which will make him less of a priority target (normally, a paragon will be targeted most because of his lowest armor when SY) which will relieve some hex pressure and healing-pressure off the monks. And it serves as a backup if SY is down in a pug where hexes arent blind aren't removed fast enough or the imbagon is inexperienced or under the 50% miss chance effect of HM gloom. I feel that TNTF still helps, even if maybe not too much, but still important in complicated places like with The Fury or in over aggros in city or foundry. Much better than "To the limit" I think it is the "Signet of aggression" which allows to build up adrenaline between fights to yell SY at the very beggining of each fight, also during the fight with one signet activation and two spear throw you get enough adrenaline to spam SY every 4-5 secs, and in my case with a 6 seconds SY it is really easy to maintain it. Leaving the "Lightbringer signet" for cases of energy need like in city or with Mallyx if the door closes.--Kilikan 04:58, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
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