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| - Considering the weightng of BM votes, whether to have 2 levels of BMs, one with 150% the other with 200% weighting, etc. - Image:Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 00:58, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Also, this (weighted votes in particular) work nicely with the criteria below that was hindering certain users from keeping the wiki's standards and build quality high, so parts of my posts below are pretty mute to this policy. - Image:Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 01:07, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Insert obligatory QQing about elitism. Looks good, although I am personally somewhat divided as to whether I support this. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 01:08, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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| - Considering the weightng of BM votes, whether to have 2 levels of BMs, one with 150% the other with 200% weighting, etc. - Image:Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 00:58, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Also, this (weighted votes in particular) work nicely with the criteria below that was hindering certain users from keeping the wiki's standards and build quality high, so parts of my posts below are pretty mute to this policy. - Image:Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 01:07, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Insert obligatory QQing about elitism. Looks good, although I am personally somewhat divided as to whether I support this. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 01:08, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Ok, first things first, despite the disclaimer, people will QQ about this policy... but, whether or not that will be an issue would have to be determined later, so I'll leave that alone for now. Second point, can someone be, simultaneously, an Administrator and a Build Master, or, are the positions mutually exclusive? Also, along a similar vein, if you were to create a Wiki Org chart, and include BMs, would Bureaucrats be "above" both BMs and Sysops with BMs and Sysops as two completely seperate "branches," or would, for example, would it be Bureaucrat -> Sysop -> BM? As to having multiple "levels" of BM, I would simply question what the process for determining primary vs. secondary BMs would be. Obviously, some users are more knowledgeable than others, but, assuming we aren't factoring in seniority, number of contributions, etc., it might be hard to compare two knowledgeable users. Obviously not a big obstacle, but I thought I'd point it out. So, those are my general comments/concerns with this policy. Overall however, I'm still unsure whether or not I support this (especially given the WikiDrama that is sure to result, although that's not the main reason). Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:17, 3 September 2007 (CEST) Oh, and have you (Krowman) talked to Cardinal about the feasibility of implementing this? I know that back when we were discussing the old BM policy, Cardinal said he could create a BM user group and allow them to remove votes (at least, I think that's what he said), but, do you have any clue how easily a "weighted vote" system could be implemented? Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:19, 3 September 2007 (CEST) I suppose the chart would run BCrat -> Sysop -> BM, simply because sysops have additional powers that BMs do not. Not to say that BMs are less valuable than sysops, it's just a functionality decision. Admins can effectively be BMs (vote removal, 2nd para of weighted voting section) though I had hoped that our admins that have been appointed because they were essentially Build Masters before the policy was ever drafted could move to the BM category and leave administrative duty to users better suited to deal with it. Again, it wouldn't be a demotion to BM, that's why I didn't specify a hierarchy between Bcrats/sysops/BMs. Ranking of BMs was an afterthought, something I figured other users might have wanted and should put up for discussion; I'd prefer just BMs, not different rankings of the users. Needlessly complicated, questionably useful, and could be insulting to some. Haven't caught GC or Hippo on MSN, can be hard to meet them there as we live on opposite sides of the world from each other. The difficulty would be in the weighted voting, not the vote removal. Not sure if we could simply amplify BM vote by a certain percentage automatically, or if we'd have to reserve a little 'category' for BM votes only that, as a category, would be weighted more heavily than the standard, currently one-size-fits-all category for ratings from all levels of users. - Image:Kowal.jpg Krowman {{sysop}} 01:31, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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