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- I think you're right. We do need an archive. I suggested it before but I wasn't sure where to. So I'm giving it here. We're at roughly 200 suggestions. I think its time to archive.
- I believe that if people don't format their requests correctly, their requests should be REMOVED. People should learn to read instructions, and the page is long enough anyway.
- That reminds me: I enforced a TOC limit a while ago, so the Support and Reject headers don't show. I'm not sure if it works with all browsers, though . Hope no one minds.
I scrounged up code which auto-collapses the TOC once, but it was fairly dodgy. Eh, we can ask at WP:MOS talk if needed, since no one seems to pay attention to the questions at WP:TOC.
EDIT: I have managed to have the TOC automatically set to "Hide" when the page is loaded! Unfortunately, this means I have to remove the TOClimit, but this should clean it up a bit. Please tell me if it works for your browser below.
- The edit history has told me that Faethin locked it, saying "You know what: screw this. No more RC spamming. We have enough queued fights as it is." as the edit summary.
- So. When we were talking about noms, we agreed that, depending on the quantity of nominations and the quantity of votes for them, we would be archiving noms every month and we would shortlist a nomination once it had received 5 more "for" votes than "against." Well, it's been a month.
Frankly, the results are a little disappointing.
I mean, I fully expected that this might happen, so it's not surprising per se, just disappointing. Ideally with time we'll get more people regularly voting and nominating fights again. However, that said, something should probably be done with what we have now in order to obtain fights for shortlisting. There are two obvious options:
#Increase the span of time between archivals.
#Reduce the number of votes required for shortlisting.
What do you folks think on this?
- Ask him on his talk page, though I wouldn't bank on you being successful here.
- *"Nomination Page/Examples of Excellence"
- *"Nomination Page/What Not To Do"
- Seriously, we need the new rules. We could semi lock the page surely, but like Saethori said, we do have anonymous users who contribute. I'm also for the biased suggestion rule. Plus we need to archive this beast. We're over 200 suggestions.
- That's a good point. I guess archiving them is pretty pointless. The difficulty is going to be in convincing everyone else... Now, I don't want to seem pushy, but can I ask what you actually think of my control measures? Assume, for the sake of argument, that archiving isn't an issue.
- Gotcha. Still gets my vote though
- Someone who gets it. Thank you NoW
- *"Nomination Page/Darwin Awards"
Instant deletion of rule-breaker's suggestions is a good idea, but permanent-ban from here? Maybe a temporary ban is a better idea to start with. If they behave themselves for, say, a month after breaking the rules for the fifth time, maybe take the fifth strike off, but note that they've been there before Anyone else think that makes sense?
- I have a question here. So should the person who had the idea vote for his/her idea or not?
- Fights using something other than characters are allowed. A song suggestion would be legit, although not enough people really know a lot about songs and such, but we'll leave that to the actual nomination voting.
- Ok, its time I summed it all up. I move that we implement a new set of rules for the nominations page. One, we need a rule of three maximum. There are too many 8 ways and even one twelve way match, plus that Cid free for all. I don't mind a three way fight. Two, we need a rule about putting in the number signs before votes. And three, we need a rule that says to format your rejections and supports properly. I know its been said before, I'm just summing it all up.
- Yes, okay, but it's not about archiving. That's a separate issue. I'm proposing some measures to control the ridiculous length of the noms page.
- Who is it that does the archiving anyway? Is it TA?
And how about just enlisting a few people to moderate the page? That was the word I was looking for at first. =P
- I think we need that rule, because I'm getting sick of fixing this page already.
- Does anyone mind if I put "Please insert a number sign before your votes" into the Rules section? I'm getting tired of reminding people/adding them.
- I'm not sure who's in charge of the archiving, but it very well could be TA. And that's a very good suggestion. We'd have to take it up with the admins though. I'd nominate a few people as well. Sorceror Nobody, Dreadnought and maybe Ninja of Wind.
- Yeah, it does kinda need sorting out. It has started to get beyond a joke. There were, last time I checked, still some of the fights of the last couple of months in the Nominations, which obviously need removing as well.
I do have one small suggestion: it may be worth archiving some of the "deleted" ones, because the comments people have made on them can be pretty funny and/or interesting. If you want a more useful reason to keep any of them, I point out that we could also maintain them as a guide for "This is how not to do it".
- Deleting noms is never going to be okay and will always start a flame war. Especially if it is done by someone who got here yesterday . So I for one will Agree with DSS's message on your talk page. And as for being a "patroller" you don't need to volunteer to do that, just do it. I've been quietly keeping the nom page tidy for some time now. Just remember good faith and don't delete the content of other users, that should be left to TA
- I would like to move that starting with archive 15 that all archives should hold at least 75 to 100 suggestions. When someone archived the last time, it only took about thirdy suggestions off the top of the page, but now, the page has grown to 200+ suggestions. We need to spread this out a lot better.
- I agree with most of this. I wouldn't say that there should be no archiving at all, though. Even if the nominations page is constantly trimmed down, it will still grow into something huge, right? So it'd be a good thing to move things into an archive once in a while, in my opinion.
- Why is the page locked for editing? Did someone vandalize it again? Can anyone help me out here?
- TA makes a good point, there's really no point to the DNC nominations being archived. The suggestions that receive high support are queued up for potential usage, the rest, meh.
- Deletion needs one other a warning. Give people a day's notice or something in cases for speedy-deletion and maybe three days' notice for those that simply aren't worth keeping.
Also, I agree with Sorceror Nobody: some of the deleted suggestions should be archived somewhere: specifically,
- Well, I check the most recent archives whenever I submit a new idea to see if it's been suggested. The problem is that the archives are way too long to let me want to check every page. So with that being said, I'm sure more people would look at the archives if they were shorter and more tidy.
- Because I have a suggestion. In light of the recent announcement about Final Fantasy XIII, I would like to put forward the following battle:
Kimi ga Iru Kara vs. My Hands
The battle to determine the true theme song of FFXIII! I trust the voters would make the right decision...
- Well, "silly stuff" is the sort of thing that there is no real point archiving. If it violates the rules for some reason , then it doesn't need to be archived. The archive is largely a list to prevent repeats/dupes, but if a suggestion breaks the rules, then even if it is duped, it'll just be deleted again because it's broken the rules... again. So if we examine my list of control measures, the only ones that would warrant archiving would be those deleted for massive rejection or inactivity. All others could be wiped completely with no real loss incurred.
To be honest, I personally only refer to the archives very rarely, and virtually always to check if a nom is a dupe.
Thoughts?
- Well, when I say "delete", it can either then be archived or not. This is just me querying what you think of a few ideas to rein in the ridiculous number of nominations on the page. Also, not to nitpick, but I'm not quite sure what you're saying with regards to my suggestions. I get the impression that overall you are agreeing, but I don't want to jump to conclusions...
- I'm with Ninja of Wind. There are a whole bunch of new people who get their good idea's trashed because "it's been done" . I'm throwing my vote in for a fresh start. If not, we at least need to archive this beast. 300 ideas on one page? anyone?
- IIRC, the old noms archive box was a long vertical column on the right hand side of the page. While having a box similar to the regular DNC archive box would work since noms are posted at the bottom anyways, having the the vertical column style right at the top of the page or near it in whatever section it fits best I think would be a better option.
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