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| - Most of us play the game with some sort of goal in mind -- to get better items, to beat a mission, to find a specific crafter, etc. When a given mission location is looked up, I'll wager that most people want to find out about the mission there and aren't very interested in, e.g. that the name of the Fort Ranik merchant is Gram. Many location names include a redirect to the mission name (mission), which is good, but it means that whenever that mission is referenced, it must be referenced in the following formet: "[ [ mission name (mission) | mission name ] ] mission" in order to make it display cleanly. Additionally, it means that most every mission location page has a blank page consisting of nothing but a redirect link to the actual mission page. I propose that all mission location pages
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| - Most of us play the game with some sort of goal in mind -- to get better items, to beat a mission, to find a specific crafter, etc. When a given mission location is looked up, I'll wager that most people want to find out about the mission there and aren't very interested in, e.g. that the name of the Fort Ranik merchant is Gram. Many location names include a redirect to the mission name (mission), which is good, but it means that whenever that mission is referenced, it must be referenced in the following formet: "[ [ mission name (mission) | mission name ] ] mission" in order to make it display cleanly. Additionally, it means that most every mission location page has a blank page consisting of nothing but a redirect link to the actual mission page. I propose that all mission location pages should be about the mission, with a disambiguation link at the top to the "mission name (location)" page. For instance, see Chahbek Village (mission) moved to Chahbek Village, although the page that link to Chahbek Village (mission) would need to be changed. [1] I would suggest a bot to do all of that. How does that work here? Do I have to put in a request in order to run a bot, like I would have to over at Wikipedia? Banaticus 00:08, 29 December 2006 (CST) Remember that when linking to an article, you can also link to the redirect. You don't need to write [[Fort Ranik (mission)|Fort Ranik]] as you can write [[Fort Ranik]]. There is no need to change the current system and it would need a lot of work to do so. The pages should be moved and many categories hould be changed from many many articles. (Monsters, bosses, NPCs, ...) --Image:Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 02:39, 29 December 2006 (CST) Try this: Fort Ranik --Ab.Er.Rant Image:Necromancer-icon-small.png (msg Aberrant80) 06:39, 29 December 2006 (CST) I'm not sure I quite get what you're trying to accomplish. Seriously, it's going over my head. So why should we move mission articles instead of simply having a redirect (like in the Chahbek Village example you gave)? Is there something wrong with the redirect? Are they not showing up "cleanly" when you link to that redirect (as in Gem's example)? Are you trying to reduce the article count? I don't mean to play twenty-questions, just trying to understand. BTW, I reverted the change you made on the Chahbek Village redirect... It'll do us no good to have two identical articles. It should be either moved or not; duplication will just cause someone headaches. :-) --Zampani 13:59, 29 December 2006 (CST) I don't see a problem with reducing the number of pages, especially if it reduces confusion, makes things easier to find, eliminates . Why link to a redirect when we can simply have the "default page" be the mission page? Why continue to propagate a system that's unwieldy -- why would we want to create an empty redirect page for every mission location in the game? More chapters will come out and it makes it difficult to find things. Again, I'm not saying that someone should go in by hand and change every page. Who do I have to speak with to get permission to just run a bot on these pages? Unlike Wikipedia, there is no mention of GuildWiki bots in bot. Banaticus 19:06, 1 January 2007 (CST) The thing is, even if you had a bot set up, community consensus seems to be against you. The most that I would agree with would be to change the pages from redirects into disambig pages, but I don't think that that is worth the trouble, and that the current system works well. --Rainith 19:19, 1 January 2007 (CST) Until you describe what's unwieldy or confusing, don't change anything. --Fyren 19:21, 1 January 2007 (CST) I don't see anything confusing or hard in the current system. The change would mean editing hundreds of pages linking to the old names. Changing to disambig pages would be stupid as 99% of the players want to find the mission article with the mission name. --Image:Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2007 (CST) I really don't see what you're describing as confusing or unweildy. The current system works fine, and works well. If it's not broke, don't fix it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:08, 1 January 2007 (CST) Gem is correct -- 99% of users want to find the mission article. Why make them type extra text? That's the unwieldy part, that 1) we make every mission name approximately 1/3 to 1/2 longer than it needs to be, 2) that we created an extra redirect page for every mission in the game. I don't see the benefit of making the page a disambiguation page -- that would then be an extra click to get to the mission page and would be a further drain on GuildWiki's already thinly stretched resources. This is essentially doubling page views for all mission locations. Additionally, it's not wiki "clean". A bot can simply run through a list of pages and change them, so it really doesn't matter how long the list is from that standpoint. Banaticus 10:55, 2 January 2007 (CST) They are currently reaching the mission article without keying the extra text. The claim that we make them type the extra text is erroneous and misleading. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:50, 2 January 2007 (CST) Hi! I'm back and I agree, there is no reason to change the name of articles. At present no one has to type any extra. If you go to you get the mission. If you search for "Fort Ranik" you get the mission. If you link to [[Fort Ranik]] you get the mission. There is no doubt that the mission pages are used more than the location pages, and there is also no doubt that the mission pages and location pages need to be separate articles, but I am yet to see a convincing argument why we should not use the system that we are using at present. <LordBiro>/<Talk> 12:40, 2 January 2007 (CST)
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