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| - File:Keep.png Keep — The scarf serves as a valuable component to a character just as Aang's glider, Sokka's Bommerang, and Katara's necklace seems valuable to those certain character's. RaGhavA SHaH (wall • contribs) 05:11, September 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — There really isn't anything Avatar-verse noteworthy about this page. It's just a page that shows that there is bamboo in the Avatar world, big whoop. (this is about the bamboo and in no way an insult to the one that created the page, just to make sure ^^"). 22:17, August 27, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per my reasons stated below in the apple section and Lady Lostris' explanation. --Icarlyftw talk to me 22:27, August 27, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — I don't know why should delete it, just because it's about bamboo. There is decent amount of information on the article, I think is should stay.TheBigO Fan File:Bolin sprite.gif Be the leaf 22:32, August 27, 2012 (UTC) And we can also make a decent article about wood, metal, air, fire, earth, cotton, brick, etc. It's not because we can make a decent article that it is relevant to the Avatar verse or has anything new to say. 22:44, August 27, 2012 (UTC) Then by this we could argue for the removal of all plantlife articles on the wiki, save for the ones that only exist on the Avatar world. I'm not certain I agree with that counter-argument. 02:37, August 28, 2012 (UTC) That really isn't the point. Some of the plants are special to the Avatar world and those that aren't, at least had something noteworthy about it other than "it was used in X." As I mentioned, I can produce a lengthy article about any of the mentioned sources and its usage in the Avatar world, in fact, anyone that has the basic knowledge about the English language can do that. Why not create an article about cotton? Everyone in the Avatar world wears clothes, they're made of something, so shall I make a very lengthy article about a cotton plant and its usage in clothing and how it can be painted to have different colors and all? What's not the agree with? There is nothing truly relevant to say about wood or bamboo other than "it was used in a building" or whatever. How is that relevant to the Avatar universe? 06:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — I actually believe this article holds far more than enough merit to remain on the wiki. This page succinctly keeps track of many places that bamboo is actually made use of in the Avatar world; not simply "oh look, it's a plant" or such. Yes, I know, you can argue that "well wood is wood too" but there is a difference in having a page titled 'Wood' and one for bamboo and its usage. The article could perhaps be re-worded to more focus on its uses, rather than how it ambles off into a 'history-like' moment with Sokka slicing it. 02:41, August 28, 2012 (UTC) You're right, it's not "oh look, it's a plant", it's "oh look, it's a plant that is used in a building just like it is normally used in a building or ladder irl so there is really nothing noteworthy about it for the Avatar world." How is it different to have an article about bamboo, but not about wood? How can you argue that bamboo is more relevant than wood? I really do not see your arguments at all. They're both building recourses with absolutely no more difference than the density matter they're made off and their appearance. 06:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC) For one; the rarity of the wood. Bamboo can be viewed by some (western-minded citizens, perhaps) as an elegant and unique thing. The fact that the Avatar universe has such a unique type of tree is a point of interest. And that some of the 'well-to-do's like Piandao sees fit to raise a forest of these as well speaks to the aesthetic beauty of them. What are we off to delete next, then? You realize that half all of our articles can be attacked with the very same reason. 04:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC) That really is an argument that holds zero to less value. "viewed by some (western-minded citizens, perhaps)" Bamboo is something really common in Asian countries and it is a well known fact that Avatar is based on the Asian culture, so that completely undermines the value of that argument. Wood nor bamboo is rare in either the Avatar world or the real world. Bamboo forest are raised quite often in the Asian cultures, so it is less than notable that he did that in the Avatar-Asian inspired world. No, I do not realize that, so please point me to the articles that can be deleted according to you for that reason. You have to judge them by whether or not they are noteworthy from an Avatar-verse point of view, not from "oh, some people might see this as special", while actually it's as common as can be. But let's say for arguments sake that bamboo is notably used in some building. It is much more logical then that we have a page on that noteworthy building and say that it was made of bamboo there, instead of having a page about bamboo and shortly mention it was used in a notable building and provide a link to said building. There is no need to create a rather redundant page solely for duplicate informational purposes, as everything noteworthy about the plant's usage is already on the page it is noteworthy about, and all the rest is either not noteworthy for the Avatar world or just stating what bamboo really is, so basically describing a plant we all know and many perhaps even have in their back yard. We do not need to list every minor usage of the plant. 05:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — I agree with Vulmen on this one. Seems like reasonable source of information. Yu Yan Archer (Talk) 06:04, August 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — Per Vulmen. 06:08, August 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per Lostris. Seliah Jade 11:15, August 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — Per Vulmen. File:Ozai Spirte The Final Battle.gifSparks • From • HadesFile:Azula sprite23.gif 15:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — For some of the other plants found in real life, we have used wikipedia links or just gave it a mention in the Flora in the World of Avatar. Bamboo is common in East Asia and of economic significance; to favor this particular article over all those others just due to the fact that Western-minded people may think it's elegant or unique is not logical and completely subjective. Looking over it's current content, and keeping in mind how it can be expanded, I think this article contributes, and will contribute, nothing informative to the wiki. 10:23, September 3, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — ATLA is an Asian based show, and bamboo is a very Asian-oriented plant. So I think it should stay. 19:45, September 3, 2012 (UTC) So everything that is Asian but has nothing useful to note for the rest should have a page? The entire point is that bamboo in the Avatar world is identical to bamboo in the real world and there was never a truly notable usage of the plant that warrants its own page. As Kettle noted, when we have a plant or fruit that is not notable in the Avatar World and is identical to their real wold counterpart, we just add a wikipedia link to the fauna/flora page, so why should we make an exception to a system that has worked perfectly so far now for something as trivial as bamboo? What's noteworthy about it that warrants the page? 20:25, September 3, 2012 (UTC) I think it's how this page notes the uses of bamboo that warrants it's existence. A wikipedia link won't tell you where bamboo can be found or how it is used in the Avatarverse. It's useful to have a page that compiles information in one area rather than leave it scattered in bits across random portions of the wiki. File:Ozai Spirte The Final Battle.gifSparks • From • HadesFile:Azula sprite23.gif 20:30, September 3, 2012 (UTC) And what is this usage of bamboo that is special to the Avatar world that sets it apart from their real life counterpart? We've noted that the plant is used for buildings, a pole, and a brush -all things bamboo is also used for irl, so that's not noteworthy at all. The fact that Aang used a bamboo pole once to escape doesn't warrant an entire page about it. If someone can give me one truly useful Avatar-verse usage of this plant, I will drop this, but so far, I haven't seen anything that sets it apart from the real world plant. 20:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC) This article doesn't need to be set apart from it's real-world counterpart. We've ignored this supposed "rule" for so many other articles it hardly even applies anymore. Look over to a bunch of fauna pages like cat, dog, wolf or multiple transportation pages like steamboat, train, and automobile and you'll see what I mean. Also, isn't being able to use bamboo to make music a sort of independent use? File:Ozai Spirte The Final Battle.gifSparks • From • HadesFile:Azula sprite23.gif 21:11, September 3, 2012 (UTC) Where have we ignore the rule that we just made a copy of the real world article without it being relevant to the Avatar World? As I mentioned before, cat, dog, wolf, are special to the Avatar World as they are not hybridizes creatures. Remember the surprise of "just a bear?". They are "just a cat", "just a dog", "just a wolf", thus making them special and noteworthy for the Avatar World. Those transportation methods are special to the Avatar World because 1. they were either not there yet in Aang's time but they were in Korra's, thus they mark the evolution in that world or 2. they were notably used by someone. So no, I do not see what you mean if you put this to the bamboo page which has the same appearance and the same usage as its real life counterpart. It is completely the same, we can copy/paste everything we find on the bamboo wikipedia page to the one we have and just add here and there "character x used it". That is not important, not noteworthy, and is just a useless page imo like we had with apple -which was recently deleted for those exact same reasons. I seriously do not see any difference between the apple page and this one when it comes to relevancy and noteworthiness. And no, bamboo as a music instrument is not an independent usage of the plant, it's quite common actually. 08:01, September 4, 2012 (UTC) Non-chimerical animals are only noteworthy from an in-universe point of view, because, as you stated, they are a rare type of species that are not hybridized. Aside from that point, there is little to note about those creatures. If looking at bamboo from an in-universe point of view, you would see all of it's important uses in respect to the Avatarverse, although they may be equivalent to that of the real world. Your argument that this article should not exist because nothing sets it apart from the real world is not an in-universe viewpoint. Now, one might argue that we can create an article about, say, metal, if my logic is valid. However, we are not going to do that, so my argument must be invalid. Metal is quite different because 1) It is innumerable to the point where listing when, how, and where it appears in an article would render it useless and 2) it has a corresponding article that largely describes it (in this case, the article is metalbending). Bamboo is both relatively rare and lacks a corresponding page to suffice for it's deletion and the information that will go down with it. And about bamboo as a musical instrument, that's not how it was used for music in the Avatarverse. File:Ozai Spirte The Final Battle.gifSparks • From • HadesFile:Azula sprite23.gif 14:39, September 4, 2012 (UTC) Yes, those animals are indeed the same as their real life counterparts and as such not notable were it not for the fact that they are special to the Avatar World. Bamboo on the other hand is the same as its real life counterpart and as such not notable, especially not when you add to that that its usage is exactly the same in both "worlds" so there is nothing special Avatar World about that plant. That is the big difference. Bamboo is not rare, I do not know where you got that point, so I do not really know how you want me to respond to that or what even the point is that you are trying to make, sorry. Neither do I get your point about the metal page, as I have said before already that a metal page would be the same as this bamboo page. What is this precious information that would go down with the page's deletion? The fact that it's a building material? Same in the real world. The fact that it's used for musical instruments? Same in the real world. The fact that Aang used it to escape Pohuai Stronghold? That is noted on several pages beside this one and is not special enough to warrant an entire page for it. The fact that it's used as a brush? Same as in the real world (as for that little trivia point about the music, that can just as well stand on the game page in which it is used, so no information lost there). So you see, I am really failing here to see why this page would be necessary, what new information it tells us rather. 09:26, September 5, 2012 (UTC) I have looked at the page extensively, and compared it with the notable flora pages we already have. There a few key differences on this point. Flora only found in the Avatar universe have their own pages intuitively, while those that are found in the real world are linked to their corresponding Wikipedia page unless they have a significant unique history and other diverging uses from the real world. No exceptions. An example of this is seaweed. Now compare the differences between both articles. What you'll find in the seaweed article is far more relevant to ATLA than bamboo will ever be, with what it's use in the creation of tangle mines, waterbending seaweed monsters, unique seaweed cuisine in ATLA etc. Now, what does Bamboo provide? Just a bunch of history that a few people used them for as building materials, and that is the only major use. Everything else about every single little place where it has been found growing, and Sokka's run-ins with bamboo is just laughably irrelevant. I cannot reiterate enough how there is no difference between how it is used in the real world and the World of Avatar - look in any East Asian countries for proof. It isn't even a particularly rare plant, and it is most certainly not noteworthy to have its own article, which is why I must agree with LL on all the points she has already stated. 09:41, September 5, 2012 (UTC) I still stand by my opinion. Lostris, we have many, many articles that only exist to compile information. The seaweed article KMP noted is little more than a pool of data that adds nothing new to this wiki at all. We could attack far too many articles based on what you said. I also believe it's use in the Spirit World and the fact that fire ferrets populate bamboo forests (they don't in the real world) give the article enough distinction to warrant it's existence. And as for Kettle, I believe you have overlooked a few articles. Within a short time of searching I have already pinned down pages such as jook, firework, and palanquin that have little to no distinction from their real world counterparts. And any distinction that does exist is minor enough to give leeway to the bamboo article's slightly independent uses. File:Ozai Spirte The Final Battle.gifSparks • From • HadesFile:Azula sprite23.gif 23:54, September 5, 2012 (UTC) That's a completely moot point, as 1. there is not Spirit World in our world and 2. there are no fire ferrets in our world. The Spirit World also has trees and there are countless fauna pages that state the animal is indigenous to some kind of forest somewhere, so shall we get started on pages about wood then as well? The Fire Nation also used coal as a fuel source for their ships, shall we get started on a page about coal just to note that fact? We can also say there that Aang used it to hurl at some Fire Nation soldiers, as that is totally not mentioned anywhere else. That's the point with this useless pages: yes, you can mention that there as it is relevant to the page, but you do not need to create a page about something that everyone knows just to compile some duplicate information that is more relevant somewhere else anyway. And sure, you can stay with your original opinion, I didn't think that the creator of the page would ever agree with saying that something he created is rather irrelevant and unnecessary to this wiki as it says nothing new. 07:55, September 6, 2012 (UTC) Well, if you look at the jook article I used as an example before, you'd see that the information on that article has no more or less distinction from it's real-world counterpart than bamboo. It exists because jook is an exclusively Asian cuisine while the Avatarverse is Asian-influenced, and for no other reason whatsoever. This contradicts a point you discussed with Vulmen earlier, when you said a bamboo article cannot exist because it's use in Asia is equivalent to that of the Avatarverse, which is Asian-inspired. The existence of the jook article as well as palanquin shows that uses can be equivalent and still warrant a page on this wiki, even if simply because of perspective. You know, I am not from Asia, so I feel there is something special about bamboo that distinguishes it from articles like wood. And on that same accord, I doubt the person who thought of creating an article for jook was Asian either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SparksFromHades (wall • contribs) 22:46, 6 September 2012 Whether or not that is the same of its real life counterpart, I would not know as I didn't know what so ever what jook was before I read that page. I doubt that I am the only one who didn't know what jook was. On the other hand, I dare you to find a single person on here that doesn't know what bamboo is and what it is used for. I live in Belgium, the heart of Europe and my best friend has bamboo in her garden -just, totally exotic and rare. My neighbor of two houses down has bamboo in her garden, as well as the one on the corner as it is even partially on the sidewalk. Bamboo totally isn't something rare anymore and as such it is useless to have such a page around when it tell absolutely nothing new and innovative. Besides, the fact I said that it couldn't exist because it was identical to its counterpart was only part of the reason and I brought that point up because Vulmen wrongfully stated that bamboo is something rare when it is not. It is a commonly known plant throughout the entire world nowadays. So, I am not from Asia either and I don't see anything special about the plant as I see it daily wherever I go, it is that rare. So no, it doesn't contradict any of the points I made earlier. I asked earlier what was so special about that page and no one has come up with a decent answer that can justify the existence of that page, therefore I am even strengthened in my belief that it is a useless page, as how hard can it otherwise be to point out the value of a page? On a side note, I do not even see what being or not being Asian has to do with anything? I have no idea whether or not Tlane is Asian, the only thing I do know is that he is responsible for a good deal of the Chinese translations we have, so he at least knows the language very well. 21:52, September 6, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — Per Vulmen, Henry, and KMP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsrule (wall • contribs) 22:11, 3 September 2012 KMP voted to delete this while the other two voted to keep, so which one is it? 20:25, September 3, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per Lostris. Although bamboo may be used for important things in real and Avatar world, it's not really exclusively relevant for the latter. It's just a material commonly used, like metal, for example, and its uses are not different than real world's. 11:22, September 4, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — Per Everyone voting to keep. This is a really neat article. It's got the information. Plus it could be edited a bit, but why remove it? I don't get why people are so concerned on removing articles. It's a wiki for a reason. There's really NO reason to get rid of it. It's indeed a wiki for relevant Avatar-verse articles or other things that have a link to the series and are noteworthy. Bamboo and its usage and appearance in the Avatar World is identical to that of the real world and as such it is a redundant article that states things everyone already knows as it is just saying what the plant is and how it can be used. Nothing new-Avatar-like about it. As Dc said as well, it's just something commonly used like metal or wood are commonly used, so should we have articles about that as well? Or perhaps an article about bricks as they are commonly used to build the skyscrapers in Republic City. Is there any difference between having an article about bricks and bamboo? Would you support the creation of a brick page? 09:30, September 5, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per Lady and KMP. Bamboo has no discernible difference from the real world in the Avatar World. That's why we don't have articles about sand or water. ― Thailog 13:22, September 5, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per Lady Lostris and Thailog. You just made the point guys.--Sr.Shenanigans (wall • contribs) 15:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC) File:Keep.png Keep — per above 16:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Per Lostris and Kettle. Lia(talk) 15:07, September 10, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — Not noteworthy at all. Per Lostris, Kettle, and other opposed. 23:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC) File:Delete.png Delete — it's just so insignificant. why don't we just put tree up there. or shrub. or even cactus. Cactus seems much more significant than bamboo(since Sokka drank from one and became delusional. and yes, I know there is a page on cactus juice), and cactus doesn't have a page. And also because of all the reasons stated aboveChakrasandwich (wall • contribs) File:Keep.png Keep — Per above. 21:31, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
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