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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ All right, it seems fairly obvious in the World of Avatar that eras are marked by Harmonic Convergences. So I am proposing that Wan's HC be labeld as 0 EA (ER = Era of Avatar) and before that ER (Era of Raava) and after Korra EMS (Era of The Material world and Spirit World). I realize this is a major change, but now, Sozin's Comet is not the era changing moment, it is fairly obvious that it is HC. Srijay K - TechFilmer 06:32, November 16, 2013 (UTC) I am against this change - it seems impractical to define such large blocks of time that, to be quite frank, are completely irrelevant to the series. How much information do we have for the ER as opposed to BG? That change would severely affect the dates - it's far easier to say the Air Nomad Genocide occurred at 0BG, rather than X EA. I for one don't want to recalculate every single date on the wiki. The EMS that you proposed is actually sort of non-existant. Yes, the world has evolved, but not in the way that the ER changed to EA - the only era that would match what you have proposed is the Era Succeeding the Avatar, which hasn't occurred. Eras are defined by a major event, and while it's true that the HC is a major event, the third one that occurred during Korra's time wasn't, when taking into account what actually occurred - she won, didn't she? I'm sorry if she didn't, I haven't seen the episodes, but I'm going to take a wild stab and say the god guys won. In short, I see no reason to change from the BG/AG time we use currently. It's simple and easy to understand, and it gives people a reference time - they all know about the Air Nomad Genocide. They know when it occurred. The times of the HC are not so clear. FruipyLoops File:Toph-DoBS-2.gif 06:58, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Since you haven't seen the episodes, that I will be frank and say that well, the Age of the Avatar has passed but also hasn't. What's happened is that all previous avatar spirits have been destoryed, and so korra is the new wan. She ushers in a new age where the humans must learn to live with spirits, thus EMS. As for recalculating, it isn't that hard I can run the bot my self to fix them all if need be. Srijay K - TechFilmer 07:10, November 16, 2013 (UTC) You could have just said that there was a new era because of the events of this HC and left it at that, you know. I still think the system we have now is just as effective as it's always been, and I see no reason to change it. FruipyLoops File:Toph-DoBS-2.gif 07:19, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Though I do agree that the events from the finale signal a "new age", I don't think it's necessary to do a major overhaul. The system we employ now is highly efficient, effective, and relatively simple to understand. Making it more complex will be a hard adjustment, especially to users who are very accustomed to the old process as well newer users who are still trying to understand the old process. BG and AG are very simple reference points, and I'm all for keeping it as simple as possible. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 07:28, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Likewise, I think that this would be a better fit than the current system from a historical point of view, even considering making this suggestion myself when Beginnings first aired, but it's not worth the trouble. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:19, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Way too complicated and unnecessary as pointed out by others. If you draw the comparison with our own timelines, you will see that we too have our timeline divided into different eras as you will. However, there is always one starting point to count from. In the case of the AW, we have chosen the annihilation of the Air Nomads and that starting point will continue to serve just fine even though we now have a better grasp on how the other eras are formed. 15:50, November 16, 2013 (UTC) but we now have a canon system for dating things, which is much better than something we have simply made up ourselves. and like tech said, he could easily run a bot to do the renaming for us. what we'd call each era needs some work, but we for sure need to follow the new dating system we've been given.Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 22:22, November 16, 2013 (UTC) It is not about the work -as of course that would've been done by bots if the community decided this was necessary. It is about being practical and being needed. As in line with the real world timeline, it is pure logic that you take one starting point and make a timeline from there on. That timeline can then be divided into different eras -as is/will be done based on the eras we've been given in the show- but that doesn't change the fact that you need your one starting point if you want to speak of a timeline. There is not need to change anything, as we can still be and still are canonically correct with our current system. 22:26, November 16, 2013 (UTC) I as thinking of this exact thing when I stepped into this War Room. We should make it AR (After Raava). If it seems like too much work I'm pretty sure a bot can quickly do that calculation, work, and replacement. --File:Iroh sprite.gif Phoenixbender File:Sprite.gif 23:38, November 16, 2013 (UTC) Again, to reiterate the reasoning LL outlined just above, it's not about the intensive work that needs to be done for an overhaul, it's the practicality of even having an overhaul. The current system is appropriate and just fine, and it's based off a reference point that is existent and not made up; the Air Nomad Genocide is a true occurrence in that universe and it is a significant point worth noting. File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 23:44, November 16, 2013 (UTC) I'm against this change. The main argument in favour of making it seems to be "it's more canon". But it's not. It would only be more canon if the characters in the universe itself used it as their formal dating system. But they don't. What in effect is being proposed here is replacing one equally valid type of era dating with another, with the downside that the proposed system is much harder to understand given the ridiculously high numbers being used for most of the dates. So let's avoid the misleading claim that we're choosing between being more canon and making things easier, because the claim that it's more canon doesn't hold up. The 888th Avatar (talk) 01:09, November 17, 2013 (UTC) Not much more that I can add, but I too, oppose this change. Ultimately, for system of years like this, it has to set around one date, and there's no real reason why it should be the Harmonic Convergence instead of the Air Nomad Genocide, and the ANG is closer by far to the events of both shows, so it's easier to follow if we continue to use the status quo in regards to dating. -- 01:38, November 17, 2013 (UTC) All true points. I have nothing to argue against it so I will support. File:Iroh sprite.gif Phoenixbender File:Sprite.gif 17:56, November 17, 2013 (UTC) I'm also against the change. Besides being incredibly inconvenient, it just flat out doesn't make sense. We have a hard enough time with dates with our system, but the new one will bring lots of estimation, ridiculously high numbers and even more confusion if we break it into threes. The system we have now is fine, and works even for people who don't follow Korra. 18:23, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
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