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| - Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC) Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
* Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
* Delete fails WP:NFOOTBALL, only fully pro league in brazil is the primero division which this player hasn't appeared in.Seasider91 (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
* Keep - the top level of the Pernambuco state league is fully-pro, and there is plenty enough coverage of Memo to pass the GNG (in Portuguese-language sources). He was picked for the league's 2012 "all-star" selection, won the league twice and is on the verge of a move to Sao Paulo side Portuguesa. The article needs to be fleshed out (I started), but deletion is not necessary. Jogurney (talk) 23:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
* Comment - A quick search of Globoesporte's website, shows a significant amount of articles dedicated to memo's exploits with Santa Cruz. Jogurney (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
* Delete - After Jogurney's changes, the article has improved, but It's still a stub, and in my opinion an article should show that the subject passes WP:GNG, but this one doesn't. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
* Comment - several editors have said this article fails NFOOTBALL, but I don't think that's accurate. Most of the top divisions of the Brazilian state leagues are fully-pro (certainly the Carioca and Paulista leagues) and the Pernambucano is also fully-pro (clubs like Sport and Náutico are playing in the Série A). Brazilian football experts have previously indicated that these top divisions of the state leagues are fully-pro, so I wonder why editors are claiming this article fails NFOOTBALL. (By the way, I agree that the GNG is more important than NFOOTBALL, but as it stands the article is GNG-compliant - or very close - and with a little time and research, it can be more than a stub.) Jogurney (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
* Additional comment - I remembered that the Copa do Brasil is accepted as fully-pro without controversy, and added a reference showing Memo played (and scored a goal) in the 2012 version. The article certainly passes NFOOTBALL, so hopefully the editors who relied on it failing NFOOTBALL will reconsider. Jogurney (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
* Keep - I am confident in Jogurney's claim that this meets WP:NFOOTBALL, and am positive it can be brought up to WP:GNG in due course. GiantSnowman 21:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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