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| - Current HB metagame, thought it should be submitted. RustyTheMesmer 11:39, 30 September 2007 (CEST) Really? I've only seen this once, and that's when I was using it. Never on obs or anything. Tycn 11:43, 30 September 2007 (CEST) I've seen it on obs many times. Saw it on both sides when Ekelon got himself pwnt by the no #20.RustyTheMesmer 11:45, 30 September 2007 (CEST) Flurry IMO. Tiger stance doesn't last the whole combo methinks. Swiftslash \\ Image:Impale.jpg (contributions *warrior guide) 22:33, 30 September 2007 (CEST) IMO, After they're knocked down you don't need an IAS.RustyTheMesmer 23:47, 30 September 2007 (CEST) For a start It's def not metagame, jsut because number 20 and number 1 have ran it a few times hardly warrants meta, but yes it works, and it's not particularly used for ganking purposes, just a variant on the standard Sp with cripple instead of poison, the other SP is meta and is better... --Drowning Pigeon 08:51, 1 October 2007 (CEST) You want the combo to be as fast as poss. If TS runs out before the combo is finished it will be slowed down. Flurry barely lowers you DPS anyways. Swiftslash \\ Image:Impale.jpg (contributions *warrior guide) 15:42, 1 October 2007 (CEST) with IAS the spike would be 3.325 seconds, tiger lasting 4 ftw.--Image:User Hamstorm Hamstring.jpg HAMSTORM Image:User Hamstorm Firestorm.jpg Even with 33% IAS, the combo's still 4,45s –Ichigo724Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg 03:08, 8 October 2007 (CEST) Flurry is better since you have a snare that is not a hex (meaning if you have any hexes on your team, you can begin your chain without SP as snare). Swiftslash \\ Image:Impale.jpg (contributions *warrior guide) 15:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST) This is absolutely HB meta. I run it, everyone I know who is any good does as well. If you think its bad, you fail tbh. Flurry is not better. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 22:50, 9 October 2007 (CEST) Good build, but VERY easily countered. It needs a hex to cripple AND relies on the cripple to be not removed by the time you use trampling ox. But Still, if you get a good spike through its pretty much over for your opponent. - Jak123X 04:04, 10 October 2007 (CEST) And also, maybe you should add an HA tag to this though then you can't take expose. - Jak123X 04:04, 10 October 2007 (CEST) Ok, So to be honest this build is not Meta yet but as we speak loads of people are logging into Wiki builder to use it however.A little History about this build. During the Sneak Peak preview for GW:EoN a guild called [Time] used this build during Alliance Battles. Known by few I'm going to bet someone else also found out that it's a great combo which is completely normal. Posting this, however is not every cool. Do you understand how hard it is to run something unique that actually works? But now the [Time] build is posted on Wiki.So now everytime i use MY build the one i came up with during sneak peak will be claimed a WIKI BUILD instead of "Nice build Kagome" (which i have heard before ^_^) Thanks mesmer Dusty thats awsm now everyone can run the same build and it requires them to not have any skills except the 8 required for the bar and i can now not Ab with this anymore because it's now claimed a Cookie cutter build. 16dagger mastery btw is the best bet for this build not the 13 critical :| why would you need 13 critical mastery? Damage>energy gain on hit. Besides if you are using tiger stance anyways there will be cool down to let the energy recharge and you dont need alot of energy anyways for this spike...... The build was originally used with Flurry in Ab. it was better for me to use flurry with 16 dag mastery to regain energy for another quick spike usually better only because you can repeat another spike soon after using expose instead of Sp even after you possibly have failed spiking someone because of a lucky prot. or cripple removal. Also all of the spiking skills require Dagger mastery so why would you not want more damage?(besides twisting which only maxs at 21 damage compared to 17 when i run 11+1 crit. So anyways i just figured if people will be using this build they should know where it came from. She is Kagome from [Time] has created this build so if you will use it from wiki plz call it Kagomeway. or some would rather it called [Time]way. All my guildies and other Ab sin buddies(Porthos, Sweaty Cheese, Aura of Shadows) will second me being the first to use it. So My in game is She is Kagome if you havn't seen me in AB yet and you are thinking of it beware of the [Time] members. [Time] was here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kagome (contribs) 12:20, 11 October 2007. You can't claim to have invented this build. For all you know, someone else might have thought of it 10 seconds before you did. Also, less wall of text please.-(Japanties 02:40, 30 November 2007 (CET)) This is not an AB build, [Time] didn't invent it, noone cares about AB, this is meta, etc. - Rawrawr 18:22, 11 October 2007 (CEST) This is pretty much an intuitive combo...not like it takes a genius to figure it out. Besides, [Time] sucks anyways. 76.102.172.202 08:43, 24 November 2007 (CET) lol wow that was nice. lol and also who are you to say who invented or didn't invent things... I didn't invent it i said i created it also im sure many other people have also created it without having to steal it from wiki.But I forgot you are god /bow .Correction though. YOU don't care about AB which is fine. But there are some who find competitive play fun. Also Luxon Savior title is difficult to get so if you want to max your titles Ab or JA will have to be your choice. :| sorry i can't be more like you Rawr. Also this is a great Ab build since the original SP build made it;s way to Ab why would you think this build couldn't? I'd rather uninstall than attempt to farm r1 of a faction title. I'm just saying credit shouldn't go to you, its a pretty obv combo probably invented by like 2k people in the same day. - Rawrawr 20:26, 11 October 2007 (CEST) Time for some third party clean up. Kagome person, you didn't invent the build, stop claiming you did. Alex, stop boasting about how you'd rather uninstall than farm r1 of the title, you have like 80k donated. Image:Ibreaktoilets Signature.jpgIbreaktoilets 20:28, 11 October 2007 (CEST) I'm not even r1 -.- - Rawrawr 20:29, 11 October 2007 (CEST) El oh el oh el oh el. PvX:NPA prevents me from saying anything further. --InternetLOL 20:33, 11 October 2007 (CEST) then say ur retarded(not a personal attack)and say u thought it ment no pankcakes allowed§Ω☼Vorrax☼Ω§ 20:35, 11 October 2007 (CEST) One i Didnt say i invented it just sorta upset that its now common knowledge and ill now be considered using a wiki build instead of a build i came up with. Im sure about 2k people made it the same day. but now its completely considered a wiki build :| sorta sucks thats all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kagome (contribs) 14:03, 11 October 2007. This build was first used by O Ren Eishi, with his dual rt Split build (Mo/E, Rt/N, Rt/A), that Ekelon later copied for Monthly. He is R13 Phoenix, and is better then all AB'ers combined. gfg Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:44, 15 October 2007 (CEST) Builds in the Great Section should not have such pitiful articles...I'll fix that. --Hikari 00:38, 16 October 2007 (CEST) I'm not a huge submitter, and I didn't expect it to be this popular either. RustyTheMesmer 05:17, 22 October 2007 (CEST) I submitted a build basically the same exact thing as this, same chain, but with restful breeze, with tiger stance in the variants. It was deleted due to being inferior to the SP sin. I dont understand how this didnt get deleted and mine did. All he did was a slap an HB tag on it and somehow it can get vetted.--Image:Victoryisyours Sig Image.jpgVictoryisyours 21:10, 17 October 2007 (CEST) People read the main bar, not the variants section. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 21:55, 17 October 2007 (CEST) Because I'm great, didn't read your article and submitted it as a HB build. But mainly because I'm great. RustyTheMesmer 21:55, 23 October 2007 (CEST) OMG I just came up with this build and was all like OMFG im a genius... then yea i found it here and im all like f** that good build ftw Himynameisbobbyjoe 00:31, 25 October 2007 (CEST)
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