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| - I believe such a category should be created, as it gives readers an instant ability to search episodes with deaths in them. Other wikis like the Dexter wiki have such categories and are used to great effect. I did have a category on here just moments ago, but learned I needed to take the matter to the forums before instituting it. I believe such a category would be justified as both series contain more than enough deaths (more so in ATLA to be exact) in more than the requisite number of items (episodes; 5 is the lower limit). These deaths are more important as well because they aren't trivial and advanced the plot; sometimes in a small way, others in major ways. What do you guys think? H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 01:50, March 31, 2013 (UTC) That seems a very vague search to create a category for. The categories we make should be limited and optimal for navigational purposes. If we create this category, we may as well create categories for episodes where main characters kiss, or episodes with Jet in them, or episodes with scenes in the Water Tribes. Just because people sometimes look for something doesn't mean it's significant enough for it's own category. If we followed this precedent, pages would become overloaded with categories and navigational convenience as a whole would become cluttered. -- 01:59, March 31, 2013 (UTC) In contrast to the other category ideas you mention, they're trivial compared to deaths, and that is why I believe a death category is unique enough to be created and used. Even other wikis wouldn't use the other trivial ones. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:01, March 31, 2013 (UTC) I wouldn't say deaths is much less trivial than the others. Saying that there would be more than 5 episodes isn't much of a case for it's significance, even if it is above the lower limit. Also, it's worth noting that the other wiki you pointed to is on a show about serial killers. That aside, I don't think other wiki's practices alone is reason enough to adopt them here. -- 02:08, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Ordinarily I'd agree, however two of the episodes have had multiple deaths (120 and K112), and that is quite a significant factor as well in my mind in deciding whether or not a category such as this should be made. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:10, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Personally, I think "other wikis do it" is one of the weakest arguments that can be made, as what other wikis do does not necessarily effect what we do here in every inch. That said, I agree with ARG - this is really not a detail that needs a new category for it, otherwise we would be opening the door for similar categories. And the more episodes that have it, the less the category would be needed actually, as it would have less content. 02:13, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Enlighten me. Exactly how does having more pages added to the category make it less needed and resulting in less overall content? H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:16, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Sorry, misworded that part - if episodes have more deaths in them, then less episodes would be in the category. Like you mentioned, 1-120 and 2-112 had multiple of the deaths, so, less episodes are going in than it appears. 02:18, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Don't forget 306, which has 2. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:22, March 31, 2013 (UTC) So, how many episodes are we down to at this point? I'm counting maybe six? It's barely above the minimum limit, and I continue to agree with ARG's reasoning at this point. Having less articles in the category is really only serving to weaken your argument. To my knowledge I believe there are 6 episodes directly featuring a death in the series, one episode showing a character's corpse (Gyatso in 103) and another showing annihilation of Jet's village in 110. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:25, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Yeah, but those two I certainly wouldn't count as character death. Seeing a skeleton does not mean a character died in that episode - and no named characters died in the flashback in 110. 02:27, March 31, 2013 (UTC) I don't find a true necessity for this category either, for the reasons stated above. If death is a topic for which a category created then, as others said, wouldn't that warrant the creation for categories concerning other significant actions or happenings? It would simply be too much. I don't believe episodes need to be specifically labeled as having shown/involved death - technically, deaths were an occurrence in many episodes, considering the battles and other fights that occurred so very frequently in the series. The series in general focused around the subject of war, people dying for a cause - I don't feel creating a specific category for the matter is necessary. 02:28, March 31, 2013 (UTC) It confirmed Gyatso's death though, as the category's headline implied. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:28, March 31, 2013 (UTC) These episodes don't have much in common other than this vague connection. They're very different, so unless someone had this specific trivia on their mind, there's no real use for the category. Also, 110 cannot be linked to this in any way, since we didn't see any deaths or dead characters at all. That's really stretching it. -- 02:29, March 31, 2013 (UTC) However, that (seeing the skeleton) doesn't mean it was a character death in and of itself. When I would think of "character death" episodes I would mean one where a character died. Example, you'd not mark "Welcome to Republic City" under this category as Katara confirmed Sokka died in it? 02:31, March 31, 2013 (UTC) That of course wouldn't be my intent. The reason I say Gyatso is because Aang finally learned his mentor's true fate and saw the corpse himself, leading to an important plot advance: that of announcing to the world (inadvertently) that the Avatar was back. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:33, March 31, 2013 (UTC) But it's still not a character death in and of itself - it's only learning that Gyatso died. Knowing the Avatar is back is irrelevant to your category. 02:35, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Or, regarding 306, the most obvious plot advance was the birth of Aang and the eventual Air Nomad Genocide. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:38, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Okay, we're getting off-topic with this. Let's get back to the original idea here, if the category is needed or not. Forget about plot advances, let's just determine if we truly need a category for episodes where characters died. 02:40, March 31, 2013 (UTC) I don't really see how associated plot advances are relevant to the matter of the creation of the category and its purpose, as stated by KFB. A death is one thing; the effects of that death is a whole other matter... 02:41, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Ok then, back to topic. The point of the matter is, character deaths play a huge rule on this series and that is why I believe they're worth their own category in terms of death episodes. If a user wants to search for episodes in which a character is killed instead of searching through every single episode, why not create this shortcut category which does serve a navigational purpose? H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:43, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Another reason for the category is to preempt future deaths which will more than likely occur in LOK season 2, considering its target audience and what happened in K112. H-Man: Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem 02:47, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Suppose a user wishes to locate an episode in which two characters kissed, though, another defining occurrence - perhaps not as serious as a death but still of significance, especially given both shows' large fandom of shippers. Then should a category be created for navigational purposes in that case? Again, it could potentially lead into a slew of new and frankly unneeded categories that would cover such specific events. I believe stating a significant character death in that episode's trivia section would be just fine; in some cases, mentioning the death of a character in that particular episode is also followed by a list of other known significant deaths, thus pointing the user in other directions. 02:57, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Per everyone who opposes, this is just unneeded. Any user can look up a character and find out that they died and see by the accompanying reference in which episode they died. Nothing more than that is needed. 14:23, March 31, 2013 (UTC) i agree, this is unnecessaryFile:Oppose.png Oppose — Intelligence4 (wall • contribs)
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