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| - __NOWYSIWYG__ k;' Guy's i've just had a debate with a fellow avatar fan as to the parameters that dictate whether an earthbender has attained master level. Now this particular fan has stated that General Fong is not a master Earthbender, whilst similar articles such as that of tyro show him to be an earthbending master. Now i believe that Fong outclasses tyro as an earthbender, so my question is what makes an earthebender a master, and should the parameters be better defined becoz i think that Fong fits the criteria of being an Earthbending master. Feats include - Battling on par with the avatar and breifly putting him on the backfoot - Blitzing Katara although she had limited water supply. Yet Katara has shown that even with limited water supply she can still defeat and overwhelm multiple high level benders - Creating an Earthwave which was replicated by Aang whilst in the 'Avatar state' though to a greater degree - A general in the army who rose by merit rather than rank, means that he must have shown considerable prowess on the battlefield to rise from a recruit to a general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Combustion Zuko (wall • contribs) 03:50, September 3, 2014 (UTC) Ranking in the army does not show he's an earthbending master. Aang was focussed on avoiding Fong, not fighting him, and there was also a battalion of soldiers there distracting Team Avatar. He's never shown to have a significant degree of skill or master over Earth—unlike, say, Toph and Bumi. It should be noted that Fong was taken down by the Dai Li, but Toph wasn't. 04:22, September 3, 2014 (UTC) Pretty sure this is not for the war room.--Gsmith1030 04:40, September 3, 2014 (UTC) Fong was never captured by the Dai Li, your thinking about General How. I know rank doesn't mean much, but this man enlisted as a recruit and rose to the rank of general, you gotta admit that's pretty impressive and thus in this case reflects that he knows a thing or two about combative earthbending. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Combustion Zuko (wall • contribs) 15:59, September 3, 2014 Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Okay, well, I apologise; being the only other general we know by name, I assumed he was on the council. Regardless, I do think the point stands that military ≠ master. As I explained above, though, I don't believe he is a master. Sure, he could control the earth, but so could Xin Fu, and he wasn't a master. Fong has only demonstrated that he is powerful, nothing more, and, as Zhao proved, powerful ≠ master. 08:13, September 3, 2014 (UTC) @Gsmith - given that the discussion is about under what evidence we classify a character as a master, I think it qualifies as a War Room issue. I would say that we should only classify someone as a ____bending master if they have been stated as such, whether that be in the show, artbooks etc. and include an appropriate source to justify it. Any other determination would in my view just be speculation and/or subjective. 08:55, September 3, 2014 (UTC) @Fruipit Zhao was considered a firebending master, as Iroh stated 'do you remember the last time you faced a master" Avatar season 1 episode 3 na dhe was also very powerful, so i don't quite get ur argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Combustion Zuko (wall • contribs) 11:14, September 3, 2014 (UTC) I agree with HoT that identifying a bender as a master should only be done if there is explicit canon evidence that states they are a master (i.e. Pakku was regarded as the resident master waterbender of the NWT), or evidence presented that they are above-average (i.e. Ming-Hua is regarded as one of the fiercest benders around, which coupled to her displays of bending justifies her identification as a master). File:Waterbending emblem.png Water Spout 07:20, September 5, 2014 (UTC) so guys last thouhgts should fong change to a master or not... i'll start it off with a yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Combustion Zuko (wall • contribs) 14:27, September 6, 2014 (UTC) Per my response above, since he was never stated as a master, we should not identify him as such. I also think we should use this as the standard guideline in such situations. 14:32, September 6, 2014 (UTC) I agree, and I also support WS's 'exception'. 14:34, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
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