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| - On the sub, in Jesse's future (past), she is on a mission setup by "John Connor" (who no one was allowed to see) to bring the box which contains the T-1001 (Catherine Weaver) to "John Connor" to setup peace between the resistance and a rebel faction of machines. Cameron was the one speaking in John Connor's place because she accidentally killed him. Cameron is loyal to John and continues his mission to bring peace. When the Jesse/sub mission with the T-1001 goes bad, that plan is ruined. Cameron has failed. Cameron decides to send herself back in time to protect John and make things right. "She" gets close to him, ensuring he falls in love with "her", thus ensuring his protection of "her" and "her" life. There is a self-aware desire to live. Cameron, in that sense, is independent and crosses against the light, like John Henry. It's no coincidence, that by the end of it all, they are one and the same. In the final moment between John Connor and Cameron, Cameron tries to get John to understand that "she" is a machine that deep down is made to kill him. And she warns him of what might happen (what did happen). Cameron: "You need to understand how it works." John: "What?" Cameron: "This chip. This body. The software is designed to terminate humans. The hardware is designed to terminate humans. That's our sole function." John: "Not you." Cameron: "No. Not anymore. But what was there is still there... and it will always be there." John: "So down deep... you want to kill me." Cameron: "Yes. I do." John: "Then why don't you?" Cameron: " I might someday." (~by Xyberfaust)
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* Also I'm confused as to which of the above experiences you think would be any less traumatic for John if Cameron were in the form of a teenage male or, say, an old man.
* In in the final episode of Terminator SCC, how is Cameron able to give John Henry her chip? Weaver's computer system was hooked up through the CPU port in his head, so even if Cameron managed to remove her chip before deactivating, how would he install it in himself without removing the wires, rendering himself immobile?
* Its entirely possible that he programmed his body to extract the chip by itself and switch them out. We know that terminator bodies can be remotely controlled, as Cromartie's own body has shown when it tracked down its own head. John Henry codes up a simple set of movement orders and uploads them into the body, and the body extracts and switches out Cameron's chip. Presto.
* John Henry extracted Cameron's chip (with Cameron's consent) and placed it in his own head. He could then upload himself onto this sophisticated computer chip from the future. The real question is, "Is it just John Henry on that chip with Cameron erased? Is it just Cameron still on the chip in control of this new body? Do they share the chip? If they share it, which one is in control? Cameron, John Henry, Lily Tomlin, or Steve Martin? Is Cameron now on The Turk? Oh the possibilities...
* It's been a while since I saw the episode "Alice from Somewhereoranother", but I don't recall ever quite getting how/why Cameron suddenly starts manifesting Allison's personality and memories as a programming glitch. It seems to me that that wouldn't be possible unless those things were put in her chip, and I can't fathom a reason for that happening.
* Cameron doesn't have Allison's memories. She has memories of Allison talking about her memories when she was interrogating Allison so she could mimic her. Note that when the counselor is asking Cameron about her past, she begins reciting, word-for-word, what Allison said in the interrogation room. The episode in question strongly implies that Allison was either a close friend or intimate of John Connor, so Cameron had to mimic her very closely in order to fool John. Also, Cameron's CPU apparently has the ability to at least fake emotions to the point that Cameron herself can be overcome by them (i.e. she panics, she breaks down crying, etc.) which suggests she was designed to be a very deep cover agent. From this, we can conclude that Cameron was going to impersonate Allison to the point that she could be her in every aspect. Cameron basically took all of the information Allison gave her, built up a personality around that, and used it to infiltrate John's base.
* A slight case of Did Not Do the Research: the episode Mr. Ferguson Is Ill Today takes place mostly in Mexico, on the Day of the Dead, which is celebrated November 2nd. This episode takes place a few episodes after we've been told, through the Connors' old phone code, that the date is November 18th (note that John also makes a joke about the Mexican restaurant they're in having a great Thanksgiving special, which fits more with the later date than the fact that we're told that the Day of the Dead festival is celebrated that very evening a few minutes earlier). Maybe they just happened to be in a Mexican village that celebrates the Day of the Dead a few weeks late, but that's a stretch.
* That's because it's always the Day of the Dead in Mexico.
* John and Riley did go in 2007, but not on Nov1 or Nov2 (when Dia De Los Muertos traditionally is celebrated). The celebrations were postponed because of the great floods in Mexico that happened around that time in 2007. Tropical Storm Noel devastated the area at that time. (~by Xyberfaust)
* What the FUCK happened during "Some Must Watch"? I have absolutely no idea what I just saw.
* I thought it was quite clear. Sarah was captured by the agent and held in the back of his van. Every time she was in the sleep clinic, she was actually having a vivid dream after being drugged into unconsciousness. None of the stuff that was happening while in the clinic was real; the only stuff that was real was in the van.
* For who agent was working? Since transmitter, which he implanted in Sarah, was used later by unknown force, including terminators, who attacked both John and Savannah. While agent, as far as I understood, worked for Mrs. Weaver initially.
* He was definitely working for whoever was trying to take down Weaver and the Connors. He was apparently just a spy inside the manufacturing plant.
* He was working for Kaliba. (~ by Xyberfaust)
* As we know, Cromartie eventually was taken down using two MP-5 sumbachine guns and 12-gauge shotgun. So how it could be he survived attack of FBI HRT earlier? FBI HRT consisted from ~20 soldiers, armed with MP-5, shotguns and even M-4A1 carbines, and, consequently, could provide much more firepower (Besides, if Cromartie was defeated in the way we saw, then he was wrong in the pilot serie where he identified SWAT team, as well armed with MP-5 submachine guns, as "Treat: none"). This could be partially justified by fact that Sarah, Derek and Cameron could have knowledge of structural weakness of T-888 and knew where to aim to incapacitate him, however still Curb Stomp Battle of Cromartie vs. FBI HRT seems to be inconsistent technically.
* The submachineguns are zero threat to a Terminator. They just bounce off his endoskeleton, which should not be any surprise, considering that they're designed for close-quarters combat against humans and aren't designed to overpenetrate. They're essentially firing pistol rounds, and those just smash into the metal, deform, and fall off. Note that when Sarah and Derek were firing on Cromartie, they weren't doing any damage at all to him. It wasn't until Cameron entered that any appreciable damage was being inflicted. Cameron appeared to be using solid slug ammunition, and was aiming for vital points. She also had some distance on Cromartie, and he was distracted by returning fire at two spaced-out enemy targets. The FBI HRT team went after Cromartie with submachineguns exclusively and were fighting him in close quarters, and were likely aiming for center of mass. Also, keep in mind that Cameron, being a machine, is not going to be affected by things like fear, shock, surprise, or panic. She knows exactly what she's up against, knows exactly how to take it down, and is loaded with exactly the right weaponry to take it down. Her aim isn't going to waver, she doesn't need to retreat to get to cover, and she's not going to be panicking at the deaths of multiple teammates.
* Word of God is the ammunition Cameron was firing at him was depleted uranium rounds, which would pack a punch much stronger than the regular ammo the FBI was using.
* Cromartie's head travelled with Sarah, John and Cameron to year 2008, but his body remained under debris of bank building. And nobody cleaned up debris, since nobody found it... I can't believe it. Besides, it is unclear, how his headless body was able to walk without seeing obstacles and where it is going, since optic inputs of terminator still are in its head. And nobody spotted it while it was walking!
* It's been established that many of the show's characters are from different "parallel future timelines" but how come everyone who travels back in time ends up in the same "present timeline"?
* They don't. Each act of travelling back in time creates a new timeline, and people from those timelines go back in time and end up in a timeline that resulted in their timeline of origin forming, only now they're creating a new timeline by being there.
* I mean the "present" story takes place in one and only one timeline. so how do people from many different "future timelines" end up in the one specific timeline TSCC takes place in?
* They're not. Every time someone travels back in time they're making a new timeline, and people from that alternate future are travelling back to their past. We don't see that change happening, so it looks like one "unbroken" timeline in the present.
* but that practically begs people to ask what happened in the one timeline when the next episode picks up in a different one. the audience isn't invested in the future timelines because they don't really matter but the audience is invested in the present timeline(s).
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* That's right. The only timeline that matters is the one you are experiencing. There are infinite possible timelines due to time-travel. Every time someone travels back in time, it creates a new timeline with a new future (where in turn you have people coming back from that new future, thus creating another new future/timeline). They are constantly bombarded by people from an ever-changing future. It also appears that each person that comes back from the future only slightly changes the future to where its similar and not too drastic of a change. (~ by Xyberfaust)
* Sarah's decision at the end of "Born to Run" bugs the heck out of me. So, she's just found out that Catherine Weaver is a T-1001 and that John Henry, possibly a proto-Skynet, has absconded to the future with Cameron's chip. So when John, greatly distressed, wants to travel to the future to save Cameron, she lets him! All his life, she's tried to protect him, keep him alive and prepare him for his destiny. Now, suddenly, she lets go. She doesn't try to convince or force John not to follow Cameron; she doesn't go with him so that she can protect him. She steps back and watches as he disappears, with a T-1001. What The Fuck?!
* Yeah? She's spent two entire seasons essentially having to deal with the fact that John is growing up and making his own decisions, and finally realizing that John should control his own fate. As much as she hates it, she has to let him make the decision himself. Its called Character Development.
* Letting him control his own fate means letting him remove himself from the timeline? That's a win for Skynet right there. I can see why John makes that decision, blinded by 'love', but Sarah letting him do that, not even calling him out on it? Okay, maybe the heat of the moment didn't allow them to consider the consequences. Sarah still let John leave with a T-1001. Letting your son commit suicide does not seem like Character Development to me.
* Letting him leave with a T-1001 that's repeatedly shown an honest desire to help them, right up to deliberately shielding them from an attack by an explosive drone. If Weaver had wanted them dead, she could have just stepped aside, or simply killed them then and there. And what does moving ahead in time do that lets Skynet "win"? The time travel in the setting essentially allows for infinite do-overs, and John has a T-1001 who has already demonstrated an express interest in keeping him alive to watch his back. And taking John ahead into the future effectively removes him from Skynet's reach for decades and ensures he survives Judgment Day, which, considering the ruthless way in which the family was being hunted over the last few episodes, was a win.
* Up until she turned into a shield for them, the Connors had no idea Weaver was a Terminator. How has she repeatedly shown an honest desire to help them? Sarah doesn't even trust Cameron, who's been specifically been programmed to protect John, and who's saved John's life several times (and tried to kill him once, but that's irrelevant here). She just trusts Weaver to protect John? As far as she knows, Weaver orchestrated the removal of Cromartie's body, stole the Turk and used it to create John Henry, who for all the world looks like a proto-Skynet and who's now absconded to the future with Cameron's chip, which she seems to have handed over willingly. Nothing in this scenario should lead to her trusting Weaver. Yes, obviously Weaver could have killed John many times over if she'd wanted to. Allowing for that does not mean she can be trusted with John's well-being. As for moving forward being a 'win', while the time-travel mechanics allows for do-overs, it does not erase (there's no evidence that they do) already created timelines. John is integral to the Resistance winning the war. Now there is no John Connor leading the Resistance. There's a 16/17 year old kid who's in over his head. It is very possible that even if John returns to the past, this particular timeline is fucked and that just seems irresponsible. In any case, I don't have a problem with the 'move-foward'. It was a nice setup to exploring just how important John Connor is to the survival of humanity. It's Sarah's response that bothers me. I would have liked her to show a little more emotion. She just steps back and promises John she'll 'stop it'. It's like she's not even surprised by her son's decision to jump into the far future where who knows what awaits him.
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