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| - Currently User:Laurlybot makes quest dismbig pages that look like this Quest:Diplomatic_Measures basically very simple and not much more info then the quest name and level. There have been a few people that have commented that maybe adding some more info would help people find the quests they are looking for. I have come up with this User:Laurly/Sandbox1 now when i showed some others this idea they said it was to much info. What I'm looking for is a consensus of opinion. Do we need more info on quest disambig pages? If Yes. How much more info do we need on quest dismabig pages? Having the bot redo all the quest dismabig pages isn't a problem its just a question of how we want them to look the bot could probably recreate them all in a few hours. Laurly 13:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC) File:Horde 15.png [20] Creature of the Void (Orgrimmar) w/in the disambig template is perfect. Any more is a waste, any less is unhelpful. Having the parenthetical disamig is essential,though, as otherwise you have to mouse over the links to figure out which one to choose. That is, at best, a pain in the ass. If you'll look at Quest:Tome of the Cabal, you'll also see what I've done to a disambig that had sequential quests in it.--DuTempete talk|contr 13:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC) As usual.. got a bunch of opinions, most not held in common with the rest of the world. Take them for what they're worth :). 1.
* Regardless of how they're organized, I'm against having a bunch of links that all look identical to each other until you mouse over them. (/agree DuTempete). If the links on the disambiguation page have the additional number, or zone, or faction, or whatever, it would be useful. 2.
* Three or more, a disambig page is useful (to me) (Quest:Seeking_Strahad). 3.
* If they're similar (like Gnome Engineering), something like the preface summary would be kind to the reader. This is probably not easily botted. Ah, well. There's still the old fashioned method... 4.
* If not similar (like The Missing Diplomat, Tome of the Cabal), a summary doesn't make sense, but a quest chain link may. ... It does for these examples, but there are probably examples that are not chains. 5.
* The first quest can also often serve as a disambig page for the chain. The Missing DiplomatThe Defias Brotherhood quest chain The user is going to type in the name of the quest, after all, not 'The Missing Diplomat (2)' or like that. And one (smaller) function of the Quest Chain page is disambiguation. This avoids creating names like "your ambiguous quest (1)" to provide space for a "your ambiguous quest" disambiguation page. 6.
* edit: haven't filled out The Missing Diplomat yet... bad example. --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 7.
* ... I'd even be tempted to redirect Quest:Tome of the Cabal to a quest chain page, and sort out both chains there. (The 'things you do' are the same, so a unified quest chain page would make sense to me. And the 'summary' section of the quest chain page could hold both trees of quests, providing the necessary disambiguation.) 8.
* If there's 1 horde, 1 alliance quest of the same name, and with nearly identical text etc, users are better off if there's only one page, that illustrates both quests. What Are These Things? Otherwise, you're creating 3 pages (disambig, horde, alliance), and any information particular to completing the quest has to go in at least 2 places, which is evil for updating. Easier to search for, what's not to like? This is almost certainly the exception, though, and I can't imagine it'd be an easy option for a bot to choose correctly. As I said, just my opinions. Everybody has one. :) --Eirik Ratcatcher 00:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Well, one of the other things I mentioned to Laurly is that I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary for just two quests. If there are only two, you can easily redirect straight to the only other possible option. --DuTempete talk|contr 02:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Plenty of reasons for not having disambig pages ... I listed a few myself. Would want to see how searches for the quest come out, first, before doing away with the disambig page for "just 2". --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC) I'm of the (shared?) opinion that a disambig isn't needed if there's only two pages which deal with the relevant item, regardless of location (quest:, item, etc). My 2File:Copper.png. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC) To be clear, you mean a separate disambig page, not in-page disambiguation, yes? ;) --Eirik Ratcatcher 18:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Yeah... yeah. Yeah? --Sky (t · c · w) 18:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Yes, I believe Sky is talking about external disambigs being a waste for quest names than only have two versions. Also, I don't agree with Eirik, when he says it's friendlier to readers to put two similarly named quests on the same page. I think it would make the page significantly harder to read, especially if the quests were very different from each other. Even if he was only talking about quests that are nearly identical, it would confuse the article. How many of those are there, anyway? The bot wouldn't even be able to differentiate, and the whole reason we have the bot is for saving people-energy. Screw the bot? Well, I think it's in the community's best interest to keep the bots going. They have generated an unbelievable amount of new information on this wiki, helping us to be quickly catching up to the level of factual information one finds in the databases. It is definitely not worth sacrificing that. --DuTempete talk|contr 03:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Bots will never be perfect they will always need humans to come in and tweak the data. Maybe its best to just consider the bot a starting point its easy to move a page to a new name once the bot has generated it. The way the bot creates distinct quest names needs to remain the way it is for the foreseeable future. If i was to change it now after the bot has created 2k+ pages would only cause problems if someone tryed to resubmit one that was already generated under the previous distinct name generation. So i suggest you merely move the page to a better name if you feel it should be there instead of where the bot put it. I will fix it so that when it creates the disambig pages it displays the full quest name to make it easer to figure out which quest you are after possibly also add zone info. Fixing it to put a disambig line in a page if theres only 2 with the same name will take a bit more work, im going to have to put that on hold until after the bot has generated the NPC pages. I am also concerned that this and might just cause problems in the future as more quests are added to wow. I like havening the disambig pages but would probably add a bit more info to them to make it easer to find the quest you are looking for. Laurly 13:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) For myself, I've assumed that neither you nor the bot have any ego invested in bot generated pages (for the most part, anyway), so have felt free to alter, rename, or make obsolete bot generated pages. Please do kick me where you feel I err... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC) I'm not sure understand what you mean by the last statement. Maybe its just how i am or maybe its because i'm a woman but i have no ego associated with the bot. All i want is for her to be able to help. If someone has a better idea of how to do something im more then happy to recode the bot to suit. I created her and continue to work on her only to help the wiki what she does is just create a large number of pages so that we don't have to. I have removed the code to create the disamb pages so she wont create them anymore. She is still going to continue to create district names as before but i have added a new irc command. This will save quest id 8105 to Quest:The Battle for Arathi Basin! (Alliance, 55). This command also works with the quest command but will place it in the sandbox. This way you can now supply the distinct name you wish. Laurly 10:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
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