by user Journeyman Having spent some time observing on this board I hope you will indulge me these remarks offered as candidly and humbly as I know how. Anyone who chooses to debate politics might be presumed to have a nobler motive, and that might be a desire for a better country or a more just world. I hope we are all united in that. An appropriately Oriental way of looking at it is order the mind, and the thoughts will be orderly. Order the thoughts, and the words will be orderly. Fast forward, to this or any other bulletin board where people of various levels of preparation debate each other.