He first met Shawn at the Flop House, which was a place they hanged out in high school. They met again a few years later and became friends. He describes himself as an honorary member of Shawn's band "Headz On The Wall" witch also included Quan Nong on guitar and a bass player named Doug McDonald. Once the band ended Shawn moved to a artist commune called "Studio 11" in downtown Des Moines, where they hung out playing music and drinking with another bass player and singer, and came up with such songs as "Skull Fuck Lobotomy". Patrick and Shawn met Andy and Paul at a place called the Runaway, where Headz would play all ages shows. They then used to sneak Andy and Paul into Hairy Mary's to see real music, and some point after that they got together in Paul's basement and pounded out some son