Lord Luc arrogantly enters the al'Seen farm house and Perrin despises him on sight. Luc is startled when he sees Verin and recognizes her as an Aes Sedai. He appears shocked to see Perrin. Perrin and Flann Lewin begin a discussion on how safe it is at the farm house and how good Lord Luc's suggestions on defending themselves are. Perrin suggests instead that they leave the farm so they don't have to hope Whitecloaks will be nearby if Trollocs come again. A heated discussion started but Perrin points out that the Trollocs are attacking farms where there are people, not deserted farms.