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There appears to lack a guide or format to which robots are deemed notable for trivia in episode articles. I've just gone on a romp through Series 4-7 and removed chunks of information I deem unworthy of trivia status. There are three main trivia categories that we have issue with: My personal believe is that debuts should be reserved for the following: On Final appearances, I believe only the following should be noted: An on making it past the certain round, I would like to reserve that only for robots like Razer.

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There appears to lack a guide or format to which robots are deemed notable for trivia in episode articles. I've just gone on a romp through Series 4-7 and removed chunks of information I deem unworthy of trivia status. There are three main trivia categories that we have issue with: * Debuts - what robots are significant enough to have their debut noted? * Final appearances - what robots should be noted as having their final appearances? What is a final appearance (considering Roaming Robots) * X made it past the Y round for the first time in Z attempts - when should this be noted, if ever? My personal believe is that debuts should be reserved for the following: * Semi-Finalists of any UK Championship, if they entered more than two series in total. * Consistently high profile robots such as Diotoir, S.M.I.D.S.Y. or The Steel Avenger. * Robots that would go on to enormous success in Roaming Robots (Big Nipper, Iron Awe, Kronic the Wedgehog) * Not acceptable - debut of Velocirippa. On Final appearances, I believe only the following should be noted: * Significant UK finalists * Consistently high profile robots like Diotoir, S.M.I.D.S.Y. or The Steel Avenger. * Not acceptable - final appearance of Team Monad and Team Death. An on making it past the certain round, I would like to reserve that only for robots like Razer. * That being said, should we also have a consensus on noting when robots failed to make a certain stage for the first time? Firestorm, Chaos 2 and Hypno-Disc all have these but I think these are easier and more notable. * Not acceptable - Reptirron made it past the first round for the first time. What do you all think? I'm aware that my post may contradict my actions but I'd like to set out a format for this from now, then make any corrections later. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:19, January 6, 2013 (UTC) I understand the need to mention the "greats" and exclude the robots that were....for a lack of a better word, rubbish, but you've not really done much to cover those that fit inbetween. You removed Tiberius and Disc-O-Inferno, for example, who whilst they don't fall into the Greats don't fall into the Rubbish pile either. I don't neccessarily think the main event should be the only factor. Don't get me wrong here, this does clear up a lot of clutter, but it doesn't cover all the bases, in my opinion. CrashBash (talk) 23:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC) I actually asked quite specifically not to undo anything until we had come to a consensus. Therefore I have reverted your edits. If discussion goes in a direction, we will reinsert information. But only after, not before. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 00:46, January 7, 2013 (UTC) No, Toon Ganondorf. I refuse to play that game anymore. This happens every single time, and we all know how it ends. I don't want to be a part of that. I've reverted it back, and this time I must insist we keep it that way until an agreement has been come to, not the other way around. CrashBash (talk) 17:40, January 7, 2013 (UTC) As for Tiberius and Disco, I removed Tiberius because all of its success came in Extreme 2 and Series 7, so it would be saying that this is the final appearance of a no-name robot whose significance in the UK Championship came in that final appearance. Disc-O was borderline rubbish in nearly every single UK Championship appearance, and I don't think that a single side competition should be considered to make up for that. I am in favour of a very strict approach to final appearances, robots who were high profile in every appearances. Disc-O-Inferno was far less profiled than Plunderbird, Panic Attack and Pussycat, who I believe do warrant notes. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 00:50, January 7, 2013 (UTC) So, why do Iron Awe and Kronic get a mention but not Tiberius? Why do Sir Chromalot and Adam Clark's robots get a mention but not Disc-O-Inferno? You're being too inconsistent with what robots get a mention and what don't. Take Iron Awe, for example. Its battle history mirrors Tiberius exactly (second round in S4/5, first round in S6, heat final in S7) and Kronic's is exactly the same, albeit in a different order, so you have no reason for removing one but not the other, especially since Tiberius actually won a competition unlike the other two. As for Disc-O-Inferno, I will agree that its main series performance was less than stellar, so why did you remove it, but leave the likes of Sir Chromalot up there? At least Disc-O-Inferno reached a heat final and won an event. Adam Clark's robots were borderline rubbish in ALL their UK championships, but you didn't do anything about that. Why? If you're going to come up with some rules, fair enough, but is it too much to ask to be consistent with your own rules? Or, indeed, to ask people what they think before making such edits? I would have thought you would have learnt from the incident on the Judges page. Just saying. CrashBash (talk) 17:40, January 7, 2013 (UTC) Just weighing in, I don't think that anything you've said is unreasonable TG. MattFile:Robot Wars.jpgTalk to me 17:49, January 7, 2013 (UTC) I don't think that Roaming Robots success makes a robot important enough for this; it's too deictic, and if we factor in outside events, it's very possible that their proper debut was outside Robot Wars; look at Dantomkia for instance whose proper "debut" was somewhere in 2000. However, I do agree that Chromalot is worthy; the biggest showmen. Adam Clark is notable too, for the greatest number of robots from a single team, plus he appeared in some capacity for 6 Series and one Extreme. On another note I agree with Crash that you jumped the gun; in the future it would be best to leave things as they are and discuss first. HOWEVER, for the sake of peacekeeping I would like to declare a CEASEFIRE on the affected pages; that is to say, no one changes the debut notes from their current state until we resolve this issue. What state they're in now is irrelevant, the pages are not unreadable, it will not hurt anyone to keep them in libmo for a little while. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 18:09, January 7, 2013 (UTC) Whilst I don't believe that Disc-O is notable, if the consensus goes that way I'm happy for it to go back in. What we need is a proper list of those who are noteworthy for debuts and final appearances. I might just start below. HOWEVER, another issue arises for teams. Take Team Cold Fusion for example, do we note their debut and Pussycat's? Or do we leave the robot's success to people's own investigations/knowledge? I think that in certain circumstances, where a team has had at least one extremely different looking robot prior to the successful robot, the team and robot can be noted. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:27, January 7, 2013 (UTC) Well, with no other discussion forthcoming, I presume that this matter has been settled and I'll now implement the decisions we've made. Thanks everyone. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 00:11, January 11, 2013 (UTC)