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__NOWYSIWYG__ The spoiler policy isn't fair to all users, Some like spoilers some don't we should have an Individual opt in for spoilers, using our walls for posting. Also, the wiki could outright allow them, get info in articles before official air date, giving the wiki a competitive edge. Zane T 69 (wall • contribs) 00:33, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

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__NOWYSIWYG__ The spoiler policy isn't fair to all users, Some like spoilers some don't we should have an Individual opt in for spoilers, using our walls for posting. Also, the wiki could outright allow them, get info in articles before official air date, giving the wiki a competitive edge. Zane T 69 (wall • contribs) 00:33, June 9, 2014 (UTC) This wiki doesn't need a competitive edge. It needs fans who are mindful of the tireless effort put in by the crew to produce each episode. It may be fun and giggles to you and others, but spoilers like these can cost the crew their paycheck or even their jobs. IT CAN WAIT. So no, the policy should stay. NOOOOOOOO!!! — Hasdi Bravo • 00:53, June 9, 2014 (UTC) If spoilers are getting leaked, they need to lose their job, because their not doing it, not keeping secrets. Your trying to force your belief on others, some want spoilers, if its done in a way where others are properly warned, we could have that. EDIT: It does need a competitive edge, to become more dominant among any existing competition. Zane T 69 (wall • contribs) 01:15, June 9, 2014 (UTC) There's no "competitive edge" for this wiki to establish, there's really no other wiki dedicated to this franchise that's any form of significant. Hasdi was not trying to force his beliefs on you, he's just giving his opinion like anyone else coming to this forum would. With that said, one can find spoilers anywhere else on the internet; but there are some that indeed don't like them, but may not be able to avoid them if leaks are placed publicly throughout the wiki. Thus, I see no reason to change the policy. Also, please remember to indent your posts with colons to keep the forum easier to read; up to five will be used. 01:19, June 9, 2014 (UTC) I'm against this. Sure, some people like spoilers, and some don't but that's not the issue here. We don't put spoilers or leaked material up because it is dishonest and belittles all the hard work and effort that Bryke has put into creating it for us. Yeah, I know how painful it is when someone sees something that you want to be a part of (I'm not expecting it to be released in my country of... ooh, several months later, if that), but I would rather wait than cheat and steal someone else's work just to curb my curiosity. Also, what competition? We're a wiki. We aren't getting paid for this, and thus we don't need to be 'first'. We just need to be honest in what we do, and having leaks and spoilers is not honest. 01:19, June 9, 2014 (UTC) ALSO, since this site is a wiki, there is no real "opt in" mechanism for spoiler addicts. Whatever you post on the wall will show up on the recent changes for others to inadvertently stumble. It's all "opt out" or get out. Sorry. — Hasdi Bravo • 02:26, June 9, 2014 (UTC) While i absolutely understand the need to protect the integrity of everyone's hard work, i think links to spoiler material, or at the very least somewhere where spoiler-discussion takes place, should be allowed. so long as no spoiling-discussion takes place on-wiki, it should be perfectly acceptable to give people the option of discussing it elsewhere. we could even mandate a spoiler warning before any linking. this would allow those people who don't like spoilers to avoid them (don't click on the link), and those who do to persue them, without having to search for them elsewhere, which can be irritating and time consuming. wikia is a community - what's the fun in dampening on-topic discussion? Intelligence4 (wall • contribs) 04:29, June 9, 2014 (UTC) You don't seem to understand the need to protect someone's hard work if you are suggesting that we allow people to link to places that are holding it illegally. This is not about it 'spoiling' anyone, and should not be about 'oh, we don't want to wreck it for other people'. It should be 'oh, we don't want to undermine all the hard work that Bryke has put into it'. 04:33, June 9, 2014 (UTC) For the reasons others have stated here, I oppose any change to our general spoiler and discussion policy. The value of respecting the creators and not associating with leaking has worked well throughout the airtime of Legend of Korra, and it's good for the community. We can't prevent anyone from doing things personally and elsewhere, or from starting a private chat on IRC (not in the main room) to discuss something, but we can keep our community clean of leaking copyrighted material, and out of the public sphere of our site, which is the best, most honorable representation our community can give to itself. -- 05:01, June 9, 2014 (UTC) Per what I said on Intelligence4's wall before: "We are up to date with officially released material. We don't indulge in spoilers that destroy the integrity of the work of Bryke. If you do, you find your own sources, but the AW will never allow visibility to such sites and materials." Also, per what was already said, dedicating a part of this wiki solely to spoilers is not possible. Even though you may think it's a choice to click or not click and read it, it does show up on the recent changes and the recent wiki activia and as such has a lot of visibility. 07:25, June 9, 2014 (UTC) Just my two cents, as we had this on Young Justice too (with Turkish and Brazilian): from what I can gather, this was leaked/aired in South America, and dubbed in Spanish. Some torrents etc. sport fansubs. So what you're dealing with is a fan translation of a translation, and it may not be accurate with the original English version. Over on YJ, we set the limit of first official English language release (so if it premiered in, say, Canada or Australia, it would be okay). Edit: that's for televised release or iTunes/Amazon, not leaks. --Tupka217 12:35, June 9, 2014 (UTC) Uhm yeah, that happened back in March 2012 for Season 2 of Young Justice. It's all discussed over here on this forum. Did Cartoon Network renew it for Season 3? Despite the fans writing in for support and all the promotional tie-ins? Anyone? Thailog? — Hasdi Bravo • 14:00, June 9, 2014 (UTC) ^ No, they didn't, sadly enough (but for the rest, that is irrelevant to this discussion ^^"). 15:26, June 9, 2014 (UTC) Well so far, two for, I lost count of how many against, 7ish maybe. Is it really that big of a deal for a minority who don't share your beliefs to post spoiler links on each others wall, or info hidden by a spoiler warning? If they fairly warn others, its no problem, because only those who want spoilers would get them. Also, fanon writers tell people through their wall about updates to fanon, I was thinking something like that, for the "opt in". This is a fair compromise everybody is happy, Anti Spoiler People get spoilers hidden from their view, Pro Spoiler people get spoilers. If Bryke want things hidden better, they need to work harder to keep them hidden, That is on them. Zane T 69 (wall • contribs) 15:51, June 9, 2014 (UTC) I am totally against allowing spoilers. The makers have worked hard to create the scripts for these episodes and it's not their fault someone decided to leak them out. Bryke didn't choose to have them released; someone they trusted the information with betrayed their trust. Besides, this is an encyclopedia for official Avatar data. For all we know, what was released could just be a rough draft, therefore making it unofficial. Yes, it is a big deal. People can often stumble into other's message walls and accidentally see things they didn't mean to see. If you want to share spoilers with each other, then there are other sites used for that, such as gmail or any other electronic mail service. You don't have to bring up an argument when there are ways to do what you want to do without using the wiki. Common sense, dude. Common sense. Lastly, let me ask you this. Pretend you are a fanon writer. Now imagine you emailed four of your chapters to a beta for them to read and edit. Then imagine them going onto the wiki and releasing all your chapters without telling you and without allowing you to completely edit them. How would you feel? Would you still disagree with the spoiler policy, or would you want to make it so no one could see your unofficial work? 17:18, June 9, 2014 (UTC) If anything was to be changed, I would be okay with a slight change in spoiler policy that led to the creation of a forum specific to spoilers that was covered on Wiki Activity and Recent Changes using script, and installing the spoiler coding to cover the threads' contents if anybody accidentally clicks on the board. Actually wouldn't be that hard to do. If we were to do such a thing, I would suggest we reaffirm that peer-to-peer messaging (Message Walls) remain spoiler free, as well as making sure said proposed boards remain link free, and stay discussion only. Just my two yuans. --Suzon99 (talk • contribs) 20:06, June 9, 2014 (UTC) If so, I would rather choose to keep myself away from the wiki, even it's hard to see the spoiler forum. This wiki is a place where everybody can freely seek for Avatar official information, and if we put any of leaks which we call spoilers, we would lost our trust and validity. Sure it's on a forum, not page, but this wiki as whole is a unity, not a place with separate sections which have different quality. I mean, the forum also goes spoiler-free if the main page is. We cannot hide it, but the leaks are there. And I believe not only me who have watched it, whether deliberately or not. But as ARG said, Suzon, we will not care much if people are arguing about spoilers and leaks in private chat or another channel which was created purposely to talk about spoilers. It's free to create such channel, but once again, don't show it on our wiki nor the #wikia-avatar channel. Sorry for my bad English, I believe there are some ambiguous statements, I will clarify if needed. ^^" 22:06, June 9, 2014 (UTC) Per Acer. He raises some really good points. 18:01, June 10, 2014 (UTC)