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Where does it all come from? I know Bruce funded the original watch tower, sneaking away millions if not billions of dollars some how. But the new one? And enough Javelins to constitute an armada? Not to mention the staffing, maintenance and the wages necessary for something that brings in NO money at all! There's a huge war against the forces of Darkseid. Where are Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, and Orion? They've appeared previously on JLU, why not here?
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Where does it all come from? I know Bruce funded the original watch tower, sneaking away millions if not billions of dollars some how. But the new one? And enough Javelins to constitute an armada? Not to mention the staffing, maintenance and the wages necessary for something that brings in NO money at all! * * WAIT I got it; the cafeteria is really expensive. * Batman isn't the only one with huge monetary resources assuming Green Arrow is owner of Queen Industries in the DCAU. Add to that, 50+ superheroes make appearances as part of the post Thanagarian Invasion Justice League either as secondary characters or via cameos. Some of them are extraterrestrial in origin and thus have access to alien technology and there is more than one super scientist among them. The Justice League could have used these various technologies in the Watchtower's construction. They could be making money off some the less dangerous and more replicable of their members' inventions and/or alien technology they may have brought back from off earth missions. It also helps to have guys who can lift several tons and reach escape velocity unaided, they don't have to pay for a shuttle to get the components in orbit. The Justice League works all across the globe and they've helped multiple governments with natural and man made disasters and lets not forget them saving the world on multiple occasions. Some governments or wealthy civilians may sometimes show thanks by donating to the League. * Arrow is definitely rich. In one episode he mentions something about "Just selling a company for 3 billion dollars" then points out "After taxes and legal fees, it really only comes out to 1.5 billion". * The Future Justice League In the Batman Beyond episode "The Call", JLU episode "The Once and Future Thing", and the Static Shock episode "Future Shock" the Justice League is shown to apparently only consist of less than a dozen members. While its understandable that some members would have left for their own reasons over time or simply grown too old for super heroics such as the original Batman, other younger heroes should of come to replace the old ones. Some of them don't even age or have very long life spans, example: Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter, and shouldn't have any problems with still being active in the Batman Beyond Era. It seems like there is the implication that at some point the extended League disbanded. It really bugs me there wasn't any explanation given for this. * * Well, "The Call" was made before the JL series, so it was before the idea of having an expanded League in the first place. As for "The Once and Future Thing," it's mentioned in that episode that Chronos had been exterminating League members and those were the only ones left. I haven't seen "Future Shock," so I can't offer much explanation. * The bit about "The Call" makes sense, and after rewatching "The Once and Future Thing" J'onn J'onzz and Wonder Woman were mentioned having been killed when the future Watchtower was destroyed, so they're still part of the future League. In JLU episode "Epilogue" Terry has an Imagine Spot about quitting the League under the belief he's been manipulated into being Batman. Kai-Ro, Aquagirl and Warhawk are only JL members shown, though that may just be because they're the ones Terry is most familiar with. Perhaps the League members in "The Call" are simply the only ones stationed in Metropolis with Superman at the time the episode takes place. What seems weird is that in all the appearances of the future League only the members from "The Call", Static, and Gear are ever shown on screen. Only one thing I still can't think of an explanation for, in "Future Shock" Terry states the reason he needs Past Static's help in rescuing Future Static is that no one else is available, mentioning "the League is off near Alpha Centauri and Gear is on the other side of the world". It seems odd, if the future extended League is anywhere near the size of the present one, all of them would be off on the same mission while only leaving three League members to watch over the Earth. * Destroyer: There's a huge war against the forces of Darkseid. Where are Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, and Orion? They've appeared previously on JLU, why not here? * I would assume they were off-planet at the time and didn't know about Darkseid's invasion of Earth. The battle seemed to take place over a short enough time that the New Gods may not have found out about it until it was already over. * Orion is present, much to the chagrin of the producers. At the end of Alive, when Luthor arrives and mentions that they have a problem Orion is standing right behind Superman in plain view...and then he disappears from the exact same shot and scene in Destroyer. DVD commentary clears it up: The writers knew that if Orion had been present it would have had to come down to a fight between him and Darkseid. Their conflict has been one of the driving forces of the New Gods story going back to S:TAS, if he had been here there would have been no excuse to not have him be at least the warm-up fight, and the writers didn't want that. Their goal was for this episode, and particular those scenes, to be about the primary League members and, especially, Superman vs Darkseid. They made this realization after making Alive (Where Orion appeared) so they just had him vanish from the scene in Destroyer. As for the absence of Big Barda and Mr. Miracle, technically they were never in the League at all. Flimsy, I know, especially since we got a scene of Hawkman and he was also never in the League, but for that I don't know of any Word of God. * Point of fact, Hawkman may not have been a full member, but he was an auxilliary member, as mentioned in one of his spotlight episodes. * Actually, no he wasn't. He was an independent hero who sometimes crossed paths with the League. This was made fairly clear in the second episode he appears in, he shows up pursuing Gentleman Ghost who Lantern was also pursuing(and fighting him alone, initially), then aids Lantern(who was not expecting his aid), then departs separately once the fight is over while telling GL to "Tell Shayera I said hello". GL then complains to Shayera on the Watchtower that "I ran into your boyfriend again". Then if you notice in Destroyer, every JL member who was shown on earth is shown suiting up, then being teleported to the battle sites, including flyers like Fire, Stargirl and Stripe. Yet when it shows Hawkman, it shows him gearing up then flying off under his own power(with no battle visible outside the window he left from), and never being picked up via teleporter. I assume he was shown either because one of the creative team was a Hawkman fan and wanted to get him into the episode, or because it was a deliberate effort on their part to show that even NON-League heroes(Hawkman and Huntress being 2 we see in universe) were fighting as well. * Grudge Match: So Roulette, apparently with Lex Luthor's help, uses mind control devices in the JL communicators to get the girl heroes to fight each other in cage matches and charge admission/have people place bets on the outcome. Ok, understandably villainous/profitable thing to do, but why, why, WHY, if you could control even a few of the members of the Justice League, wouldn't you instead: * * Use them to take over the world * * Have them commit crimes for you and ruin their image * * If you can only control some of them, make them kill the other members or themselves * * * Well, assuming Lex used his power of control over all the female heroes you still have a good load of heroes who would stop them killing each other or robbing banks etc to smear their image. The only ones with power levels to cause real issue are Wonder Woman and Supergirl, Hawkgirl could go on the list too, because while her powers are not immense, she is pretty wiley. The rest of them are either low/specific or gadget based powers that a significant portion of the male Leagu members could easily take down. Factor in that Batman keeps files on how to beat everyone, Superman is strong enough and fast enough to catch them and Captain Marvel/Captain Atom would help out, they wouldn't be a prolonged problem. Take the mind control away and you have a League ready to take Lex Down. * Taking over the world would also face similar problems. Say Lex used his tech to control all the members wearing the ear communicator. As far as we have seen, Batman is most often called through his computer and batmobile, I can recall limited instances when the ear one is used (correct me if I am wrong, but I think his communicator is on the utility belt) so that is one of the DCAU's most dangerous heroes loose from Lex's control. Then we are assuming that all Leaguers, no matter what their status, are using the earpiece 24/7. Considering that they have alter-ego's and their own teams, alliances and partnerships, the inactive members who are not on duty could forseeably not have the earpiece on to control them. They could be running interferance while Batman uses Waynetech satalites to kill the control signal, and who's to bet that he has a backdoor on the communication system anyway? So Lex quite sensibly decided to control a few at a time to fight and make him some money, some second stringers who wouldn't be noticed and the big guns on a part time basis. Thus making a tidy profit and chuckling to himself about making the lady Leaguers fight each other. * Thing is, if you're shown as having ACCESS to the League commlinks, why not take the links of some of it's more powerful members? Why not tamper with Superman's commlink, or GL or the Flash? I mean, they got Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl(2 of the original 7), so it's not like they can only get low level second stringers. In regards to the above mentioned scenario, say you take over a group of them and send them out to cause havoc, don't you think the other Leaguers will suit up(which includes putting their commlinks on) if it looks like Superman, WW, and a couple other heavy hitters have gone rogue? And once they do, bam, now you got them as well. Sure, there might be a few you miss, but if you can get most of them, especially the more powerful members...you would have a pretty powerful advantage(especially to the mind of smug supervillains, who pretty much always underestimate their foes). Even IF it only works on women(we aren't told either way rather it does or doesn't), which sorta prevents the "world take over" routine(as mentioned, only WW, Supergirl, and possibly Zatanna are really at a high enough level to pose a threat to the other high level Leaguers) you'd think being able to have a Wonder Woman or Supergirl under your control you could at least find a few more potent uses for them outside of cage matches. Even at the most basic simple level, how bout, I dunno, asking Wonder Woman or Hawkgirl "BTW, do you know the real identity of Batman? What about the Flash?" * So I read there are five seasons on the trope page, but I can only find four seasons of the show on iTunes. Is there a reason, or am I missing something? * It was more that the first of the JLU seasons was two half seasons when it aired and are just treated as one afterward. * The original members knew that Shayera wasn't fully informed about the Thanagarian's true plans for Earth in Starcrossed, and they knew that she helped them in the end. So why isn't this public knowledge? This troper is going to assume that the government knew--which could explain why Shayera wasn't incarcerated--but if Vixen and Vigilante's reactions from Hunters Moon are anything to go by, everyone else doesn't know what really happened. Why? Also, in Doomsday Sanctuary we see Shayera at the meeting in the beginning and yet she's not present when they're deciding Doomsday's fate. * Even with all that, she still betrayed the League, and helped with the subjugation of Earth. The invasion wouldn't have happened at all without her being The Mole. Even if she didn't know the true extent of the plans, her actions still directly contributed to putting 7 billion people in danger. As for Vixen and Vigilante, I forget about the former, but Vigilante mentions that he was captured and imprisoned during the invasion, so he's got a personal reason to be pissed at her. * OP here and I get all of that, but Vixen and Vigilante's exchange in "Hunter's Moon" makes it apparent that the public doesn't know the whole story in Starcrossed. * * It's possible they tried to tell everyone the whole story but they weren't able to overcome the wave of anti-Thanagarian hysteria that no doubt gripped the entire Earth after the invasion was thwarted. Most people probably saw it like the above troper described. She may not have known the whole plan, but she was still a willing participant and it never would have happened at all if it hadn't been for her. I mean, just try to imagine that conversation for a moment: * * And hell, even if they did explain the decision, I could still see people in an uproar that she gets off without punishment. YMMV, but watching the shows from B:tAS all throughout JLU, you can probably pick out a dozen instances of people committing far less serious crimes with far greater mitigating circumstances, and receiving zero leniency. To the man on the street, the sheer magnitude of Hawkgirl's transgresson contrasted with the lack of any penalty must seem like a travesty. * From the episode Flash and Substance: when Flash is facing the Mirror Master's hologram in the abandoned disco, he uses a disc from a blown-up machine to sever the wires holding up the disco ball that's firing lasers at him. There are other lights that have been activated in the disco, but Flash didn't sever any of them - yet, as he's walking out of the disco afterwards, one of those lights (not the disco ball, which has already fallen and been smashed) drops to the ground. So...why exactly did the light fall, since Flash didn't tamper with it and there was no damage done to any of the lights? * Sometimes a structural failure is just a structural failure. * Yeah, the place is clearly old and abandoned. It's no surprise things start falling down once a superhero fight starts up inside. * In the episode The enemy below why are Superman and Wonderwoman affected by a drowning trap-thing when they were clearly fine with breathing underwater earlier. The two Johns need to concentrate to use their powers (although if this included breathing any martian would be in a bit of a pickle if he couldn't concentrate while on mars) but I didn't think the others did. * Superman needs to breath as much as anyone else. Why do you think he always puts on a space suit when he's flying around outside the atmosphere? Ditto Wonder Woman. * Tell you the truth, I think the better question is, why does a society of people who breathe water have an execution device that kills by drowning? It's... completely non-lethal to any of their kind. Do they really execute that many surface dwellers? * How does hawk girl get those sweatshirts on? * ...you know, I've been watching this show regularly for something like five years now and I never considered that. Forget the shirts, which she could theoretically have brought from Thanagar or had specifically tailored, what about that dress she wore? She doesn't have the time to get somebody to produce a tailor-made dress that could fit around her wings on the short-notice of her date with Carter Hall, she just has it. Sure, she looks great in it, but where did it come from? * Actually the dress isn't a headscratcher at all. It's an ordinary dress with a back low enough that her wings aren't a problem. She can simply step into it and pull the straps up. Her original top wasn't a problem for this either. But think about her trying to put on those pull over sweatshirts with two huge wings in the way. * Why isn't Booster Gold involved in any of the episodes dealing with time travel? * In the episode "Dead Reckoning", Grodd uses genetic tech to transform human DNA into ape DNA. Normally, science tomfoolery aside, I could accept this. My only problem with it is that it also transformed Superman. You know, the alien who is not from this planet and isn't human? * "Species" is generally defined by individuals' resemblance to one another and their ability to interbreed. While I'm pretty sure the current comics' stand is that you can't mix humans and Kryptonians, some out of continuity one-shots from Alan Moore and John Byrne have showed Lois and Clark producing viable offspring, as did "Superman Returns". I just assume that the Diniverse works that way; Kryptonians and homo sapiens have similar enough DNA to interbreed, Kryptonians went through a simian evolutionary stage, and Grodd's gizmo acted on that DNA to create "Super Monkey". * Vandal Savage's explanation of why he couldn't travel back in time to fix his own mistakes felt half-done. Okay, he can't travel back to anytime that he exists in, and he's existed since the Stone Age. But there was some point in pre-history when the caveman who would become Vandal Savage hadn't been born yet. What's stopping him from traveling back then, and taking The Slow Path back to the modern day? Depending on the way causality works in the DCAU, he can either stop his young self from becoming immortal, or let it happen and give his younger self strict warnings about causing apocalypses. Heck, he can even take over the primitive world if he hasn't outgrown that obsession. * While he certainly could do that, I figure he just pegged it as not a fruitful plan since, after 25,000 years living through the same events all over again, he'd be too insane to really be able to stop Vandal Savage in the present. Of course, he could go back and kill himself (Or just prevent himself from becoming immortal), since he'd only need to live through something like twenty years to get to that point, and I can't think of why he wouldn't try that. * Initial troper here. Just realized that Savage could have reused the plan than that he almost won WWII with. He just has to send a message back to Savage about not playing with the force of gravity. I love that episode to bits, but I can't get the Fridge Logic out of my head. * Its possible he tried that and Past-Savage didn't listen to the message, or decided to go ahead with the experiment while taking "precautions", modifying his experiments with safety measures that of course failed. * There was something else about Hereafter that always bothered me. So Vandal Savage creates a machine that gives him control over gravity. Sure. He uses this machine to kill the Justice League and "disrupts the gravitational balance of the entire solar system". Okay, so that's why we can see what looks like Saturn in the sky that big. Did these gravitational disruptions also somehow age the Sun the several billion years necessary for it to enter the red giant stage? I mean I get that a powerless Superman creates more drama and tension to the story but... what? * Actually, yes, since the stage a star is in is directly related to its mass; changing the gravity (Perhaps removing much of a stars mass) will certainly alter its state. * This is just a small thing, but in "Comfort and Joy" am I the only one who finds it a little weird that Superman apparantly still believes in Santa Claus? * By this point in his career, he's seen weirder stuff than that, so why not? * I think it's mainly been contained to joke issues and one-shots stories, but hasn't it been confirmed that Santa Claus (Or at least one version of him) does exist in the DCU (I recall reading somewhere on this site that he once gave Darkseid a lump of coal)? I wouldn't be surprised if Superman has actually met Santa. * Not just once. He does it every year. * Who says he really believes in Santa Claus? Until the day he died my dad insisted that every Christmas gift I was ever given was "from Santa" not from my parents. Even long after I had stopped believing in Santa he still kept it up. I guess he thought it was funny or cute or something. Maybe Clark is doing the same thing? * Superman isn't shown as believing in Santa Claus. It's pretty clear in the episode when he "corrects" Pa Kent that he didn't do it cause he didn't KNOW, but that he did it as part of "being in the spirit of the season". Sure, he knows Santa isn't real, but since for him, Santa is a part of Christmas, you play along like he is. * Kid Stuff * Maybe I'm overthinking this, but did anybody else catch the Fridge Horror in this episode? Mordred transported every adult on Earth to another dimension simultaneously. Sure, things were pretty well under control in the theme park where all of the action took place, but the rest of the world? Every car on every road on the planet just wrecked. Every plane in the sky just crashed. Any child receiving an operation in any hospital worldwide could only hope to bleed to death before the anesthetic wore off, and the number of infants dying from the four foot drop when mommy's suddenly teleported out, by itself, had to be in the thousands. Sure, we got shown a happy ending, but logically, every city in the developed world should have been in flames, and at least a quarter of the world's children should have died by misadventure. * Do we know how wide Mordred's spell was? Maybe it only affected a small area, and when the government and Justice League realized something was happening, they tried to keep as many people away from the area as possible. Maybe Mordred didn't want those younger than him to die under his reign, so he saved the babies. The truth is, we end up with so little from the story, the fridge horror is still up in the air. * Re-watched the episode. Morgaines's exact dialogue was that the spell affected "all adults", which I took to mean all adults on earth. Though I may have taking that too literally. * A minor one that might even be a nitpick, but in episode 25 of season 1 we briefly see a map of the world (while at Blackhawk Island) that clearly shows a North and South Korea. The problem is that those two nations wouldn't even be created as Soviet and American controlled zones until 1945. Usually it might just be a mistake of using the wrong map but this is an animated show. Someone had to actually choose to put in the words 'N. Korea' and 'S. Korea'. * In the first three episodes of Justice League the team seems to have no problem melting a large number of alien invaders to death. Admittedly those aliens did seem to plan to wipe out the human race, but this is the same universe where killing Luthor to stop a nuclear war was treated as going too far. Are these people operating under the assumption that someone only deserves to live if they look human? It's even worse considering the number of nonhumans on the team or acquainted with it. * It wasn't just killing Luthor that was too far. It was Superman killing him in cold blood when he had other options. And then proceeding to take over the world. The rest of the League has variously had considerably less problem with killing in battle (Wonder Woman in particular); the Thanagarian invasion and when they went back to World War II stand out--and What Measure Is a Non-Human? is hardly unique to this series anyway. * It wasn't just that they killed Luthor. Hell, it wasn't even just that Superman killed Luthor. It was the reason Superman killed Luthor that was going too far. Here's the exact conversation that took place (courtesy of Wikiquotes):<i>[The Justice League is attacking the White House, with Luthor in the<br>Oval Office]</i><br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> <i>[to himself]</i> They couldn't see the beauty! No imagination! They'd rather fight!<br><i>[Superman bursts into the office]</i><br><b>Superman:</b> Even this wasn't enough for you, was it? You had to have it all. Now we're on the brink<br>of a war that could destroy the whole planet!<br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> ... Could've been so perfect... paradise...<br><b>Superman:</b> And I let it get this far because of the law. And the will of the people.<br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> <i>[laughing]</i> The people?! This is all their fault! And they're gonna burn for it! Burn!<br><b>Superman:</b> You're nothing but a mad dog now, aren't you?<br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> Ooh, a threat! But this old dog still has a few teeth!<br><i>[Pulls out a drawer with a control box, and poises his finger above a red button. There is a pause.]</i><br><b>Superman:</b> There are at least six different ways I can stop you right now.<br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> But they all involve deadly force, don't they? And you don't do that.<br><i>[Superman is silent]</i><br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> No. You need me. You wouldn't be much of a hero without a villain, and you do love<br>being a hero, don't you? The cheering children, the swooning women - you love it so much, it's<br>made you my most reliable accomplice!<br><b>Superman:</b> Accomplice?! What're you--<br><b>Lex Luthor:</b> You could have crushed me any time you wanted. And it wasn't the law or the will of<br>the people that stopped you - it was your ego. Being a hero was too important to you. You're as much<br>responsible for this as I am! So go ahead, fix it somehow. Put me on trial, lock me up - but<br>I'll beat it. And then we'll start the whole thing all over again.<br><b>Superman:</b> ... I did love being a hero. But if this is where it leads... I'm done with it.<br><i>[Superman's eyes begin to glow]</i> As you can see, the dialogue makes it clear that Superman essentially discarded his entire moral code when he decided to kill Luthor. And he wasn't sad that he was forced to kill Luthor, he was HAPPY about it. THAT was the slippery slope moment, not the act of killing itself. * In episodes 16 and 17 Fury did Star Sapphire and Tsukuri temporarily take leave of their senses? At least Aresia had suffered a great deal, didn't realize just how interconnected the world is and had been apparently brought up on a strong anti-male message, those two had no excuse. Did they not notice the large numbers of planes, cars, trucks and trains crashing in the first few minutes of the plan? Did they not stop to realize that they could reasonably expect a total collapse of society, especially in regions with far fewer women trained in business, politics, engineering, farming, criminal justice and medicine? That's not even getting into the blatantly obvious problem of how exactly humanity was supposed to survive another generation. * You got me. Maybe Aresia promised to teach them how to make babies in a more literal fashion the way Hippolyta made Wonder Woman. Assuming Aresia did the research on human interconnectedness, but since Wonder Woman implicitly didn't know exactly what made the continued existence of men so important, she probably didn't either, so if then, SS and Tsuruki have no excuse. * Perhaps the "allergen" she released didn't affect frozen sperm, so she was figuring that society could be rebuilt after a generation, with men treated as chattel? Yes, there would surely be incredible suffering even among their own gender, but Aresia is a Knight Templar, and the other two are most likely sociopaths. * When Darkseid was holding Superman by the neck during their battle in "Destroyer," they were looking each other in the eyes. Why didn't Superman just use his heat vision to melt out Darkseid's eyes? I'd love to see the Tiger-Force of the universe try to vaporize anyone when he can't even see. * I have two: where did Luthor get the video of alternate universe Superman killing the alternate universe Luthor, and why did the Question think they were in a time loop and that there would be a superhuman arms race when in the alternate universe, the original Justice League just became tyrants? Granted, he is a crazy conspiracy theorist... maybe I'm just overthinking things... * He didn't have the video, Cadmus did, the League gave it to them. Waller explains that they had to give the government all the info they had from the alternate reality to secure Luthor's pardon, and they probably brought a copy back with them. * What he says is why Luthor knew of his death in another world. And i was under the assumption that Luthor was in bed with Cadmus, literally. So it's no surpise he could get his hands on this piece of info. And no Q is crazy conspiracy theorist, but c'mon Luthor is smart (aside from Forty pies that are cakes) and it would be logical to assume that he would use that information to his advantage. New host body (Amazo model), control over media, recent Justice Lords event (not so recent but still), the whole Orbital laser thing. Faking his death, while claiming that Superman did it out of hatred - and well... * Why is Aquaman allowed in the Leagues founding members room so casually. I thought you had to be a foudner for that. The only other time I remember non-founders, being allowed in the foudning member room was when Captain Marvel quit, and when Question found out their dirty little secret. Could he have honorary foudners status or something... He did work with them a few times in the original series, and they did consider him as a replacement member when they thought Supes was dead. * The Founding Seven walked in one day and he was already sitting in one of the chairs, with his feet on the table and his eyebrows at Maximum Scowl. Somehow they just never got around to asking him to leave. * It is also possible that they asked him to replace Hawkgirl, and became a defacto "original" member, before they decided to do the whole "let's try to get as many heroes as possible" thing. It would also make sense, in matters that required a vote, one can never have a tie when an odd number of people are voting on the subject (assuming everybody votes, that is). Or they needed to give him extra powers to convince Aqua-man to take time away from his KINGDOM to be part of the justice league. * There's a subtle hint about that in Hereafter. When they're suggesting replacements for the "dead" Superman, not only was he suggested as a replacement, he was actually CHOSEN as a replacement. If you watch later in the episode, when Supers gets to the destroyed Watchtower in the future and brings up the roster screen, it shows the original 6 PLUS Aquaman. So at least in that reality, that Aquaman was the one who replaced Supes after he "died". Sure that reality was prevented, but perhaps sometime before the full expansion of the League he was the first member who joined(perhaps as the above poster mentioned, as a replacement for Hawkgirl) and was then treated as part of the "group". * Something that came to me recently regarding Legends: everyone focuses on how John Stewart gets that 'you're a credit to your race son' line while missing a really big plot hole. When Stewart intervenes to prevent the theft of that rare violin the bad guy comments on how 'well change your costume but I can still tell it's you Green Guardsman'. Now tell me, it's a 1950s style setting and he can't tell that this obviously BLACK man isn't his obviously WHITE opponent he's fought many times? That the only thing he notices is the difference in costumes? Not that the guy's a young, very black bald man and not a very white middle-aged white-haired man. * The Green Lantern rings have frequently been shown to be able to disguise their bearer; changing how they look, including the color of their skin, apparent age, and even gender. I'll admit it's odd that he only comments on the costume and not everything else, but I'll wager he's seen the Guardsman desguise himself before for other purposes, and just assumed it was more ring trickery. * Actually he didn't just comment on the costume. The villain's exact words were "Your disguise can't fool me, Green Guardsman!" * Just been thinking about this and wondered if anyone had a different opinion: Suppose Aresia actually did succeed in wiping out all male life on the planet. Then what? Does she suppose she'll educate all women in her skewed version of Amazon culture? Does she think Hera will bless all females with eternal life, eliminating the need to give birth ever again? * Given that she was willing to literally murder half the human race, she's obviously very unhinged. It's entirely possible that she had absolutely no plan for what would happen after all the men were wiped out.